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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Dodge?
    You are confused.
    You clearly did not understand what was being spoken to, which is why I told you such.


    And?
    That was not what I addressed. So that is your failure.
    So again. Why don't you at least try to learn what my position on this case is before you again open your moth and insert your foot.


    I do not have to disprove your claim, especially as you did not understand what was being spoken to. That is on you.
    It is exactly what I addressed... You have no argument and are just deflecting at this point.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Why you think that changes anything about how the world is.
    Are you confused?
    As it is, it works both ways. Either argument can be made and fly, to a review Bord, a Jury, etc...

    But as an Officer has training as to when, and when not to use deadly force, they should be held to a higher standard than a civilian, or in other words, a civilian held to a lower standard.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    It is exactly what I addressed... You have no argument and are just deflecting at this point.
    Get a grip.

    No it isn't.
    You addressed something entirely different than to what I spoke to.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Riiiiight, sell that to someone who buys it. You judge Obama and others all the time. Yes, God Bless America, now don't hit your head getting off your soapbox.
    Yep...even after putting myself in his shoes. In fact...I frequently even state that (for example the decision to trade known terrorists for a suspected traitor) it is a tough call to make. Hell...I openly support his drone use. There are a few things he does OK...some he hasnt managed to completely **** up, but most...well...its what I expected from an underqualified failed community organizer that was elected solely because of his race.

    Dragging Obama into this doesnt change who and what you are.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Dont you think thats a bit bassackwards giving cops leeway you wouldnt give a civilian?
    Would you be a cop if you could go to prison and lose all of your stuff for accidentally arresting the wrong guy?
    Neither would I. Nor would hardly a soul.
    Cops need that protection. As long as they are performing their duties in good faith and according the manner they should, they cannot face criminal charges for false imprisonment, nor assault/battery charge for forcefully restraining suspects, etc.

    If they had the same liabilities as citizens, cops would be going to prison and being sued left and right every time they made an arrest that didn't lead to a conviction

    Honestly, I cannot imagine why you would think that cops do not need this protection.
    It's startling really.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And the Tennessee case is merely one case where law enforcement personnel have shot fleeing unarmed suspects. Pittsburgh, Albuquerque...lots of others. Relevant point still in play. Cops are intervening.
    And as noted the rules for such engagements would have precluded Greer from shooting Miller if Greer was a cop.
    TNvG proposes a two part test for when it is constitutionally okay for a cop to shoot a fleeing suspect.
    Failing either part of the test means that the case "does not justify the use of deadly force"
    Greer's situation fails both parts of the test.
    So if Greer had been a cop, the shooting still would have been illegal.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Similar recent case in Chicago involving an 86 year old shooting at a fleeing (armed) suspect. He wont be charged as it is determined he was "an 86-year-old law-abiding individual who comes across a forcible felony in progress … and helped others avoid being victims." Same goes with this 80 year old shooter.
    86-year-old won't be charged in concealed carry shooting, prosecutors say - Chicago Tribune
    Fleeing is a felony in progress?

    Eliminating current, existing danger with deadly force as needed = GOOD JOB! YAY!
    Eliminating hypothetical threat at some future point in time = murder. Boo!

    It's that simple. It really is.

    Stopping a felony in progress is what Greer did when he first started shooting at the crooks while they were in his house.
    YAY! GO GREER! GOOD JOB!
    We all cheer him for this.
    Perfectly legal and ethical.

    When Greer shot Miller, the felony had been stopped. There was no existing danger which had to be stopped by killing Miller.


    The differences between these scenarios that are offered for comparison and Greer's situation seem readily obvious.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Yep...even after putting myself in his shoes. In fact...I frequently even state that (for example the decision to trade known terrorists for a suspected traitor) it is a tough call to make. Hell...I openly support his drone use. There are a few things he does OK...some he hasnt managed to completely **** up, but most...well...its what I expected from an underqualified failed community organizer that was elected solely because of his race.

    Dragging Obama into this doesnt change who and what you are.
    The fact is YOU judged him. So get off your soapboax telling other people not to judge hypocrite.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    I was, thanks.

    He is a murderer. He shot a woman in the back who was running away. You seem to feel theft and assault are enough to execute someone. Last time I looked they are not forcible felonies in any state in the union. You would probably be much happier living in Somalia or an Islamic state.
    You may want to look into elder abuse charges before you tell me what is and isn't a felony.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    CA penal code regarding homicide has been cited upthread.

    Can anyone make a case in Greer's favor out of that?

    The only case presented on Greer's behalf so far is, "My feelings are that he ought not be charged."
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You may want to look into elder abuse charges before you tell me what is and isn't a felony.
    Actually you might want to do that...

    Elder abuse is any abuse and neglect of persons age 60 and older by a caregiver or another person in a relationship involving an expectation of trust.

    Does not apply.

    PS I said forcible felony. You may want to look that up as well.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Actually you might want to do that...

    Elder abuse is any abuse and neglect of persons age 60 and older by a caregiver or another person in a relationship involving an expectation of trust.

    Does not apply.

    PS I said forcible felony. You may want to look that up as well.
    Beating up an old person is abuse of an elderly person, you don't need to be in a relationship. Keep defending the scum criminal that he shot.

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