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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Where Greer would apply is in the shooting to prevent further or future harm. It could easily be argued that the shooting of these known dangerous felons fleeing the scene of this time prevented another 80 year old from getting waffle stomped and Recieving broken bones or worse. The justification is not in the prevention of future burglaries but rather the prevention of future assaults and in fact attempted murder.
    That is vigilantism. At some point you let the police do their job. Which would be apprehension etc.

    People should never be punished for what they could or might do without evidence put forth in a court of law. Otherwise everyone might as well just give up their rights now and let the thought police take over.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Where Greer would apply is in the shooting to prevent further or future harm. It could easily be argued that the shooting of these known dangerous felons fleeing the scene of this time prevented another 80 year old from getting waffle stomped and Recieving broken bones or worse. The justification is not in the prevention of future burglaries but rather the prevention of future assaults and in fact attempted murder.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    The people in question turned to run, they were no longer a threat, period. He murdered the person. End of story. It is illegal to shoot someone fleeing because now there is no threat. It does not matter as to how many steps they took, they turned their backs to flee. At that point deadly force is no longer required.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    When I am 80, I would still not shoot a fleeing person in the back. That is just a cowardly pussy thing to do.
    Sure.

    Have you ever been beaten by a couple of thugs?

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    When I am 80, I would still not shoot a fleeing person in the back. That is just a cowardly pussy thing to do.
    I can only hope you get the opportunity...

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You have no understanding of humans. Understood.
    This has absolutely nothing to do with the law or my statement.

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    Sure.

    Have you ever been beaten by a couple of thugs?
    None of your business. I am not the subject of this debate. Now do you have anything to contribute besides retarded questions and a one line irrelevant statement?

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    I can only hope you get the opportunity...
    I spent almost half my life in the military and as a police officer. I have had the opportunity many times. Again I am not the subject of this debate. Since you have no real argument to begin with, I guess we are done?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Minority Report is just a movie, man.
    We have 'knowns'. The perpetrators in this case had a history. There is nothing to suggest they wouldnt continue.

    Well...I mean there is NOW...

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    That is vigilantism. At some point you let the police do their job. Which would be apprehension etc.

    People should never be punished for what they could or might do without evidence put forth in a court of law. Otherwise everyone might as well just give up their rights now and let the thought police take over.
    I agree and if you note earlier I have said I think he went to far. HOWEVER...put yourself in his situation for a second. HONESTLY put yourself in his situation. You walk into your home, get jumped, get beaten, bloodied, and bruised (the description given by the police chief) and are then body slammed breaking your collar bone. You manage to grab a weapon and fire two shots indoors, continuing the pursuit you fire two more shots outdoors. Its not an event that is scripted, its not an event that played out over several minutes, and you would have to realistically put yourself in that scenario without the gift of hindsight, news reports, videos, etc. 10 seconds. 20 seconds tops. Now...where is your adrenaline? Where is your reaction? How much of your response is pure fight or flight?

    Dood was stupid for making comments to the media. I highly doubt he was as calm, reasoned, and rational during the incident.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    TN v Garner doesn't support the use of deadly force based on hypothetical murders at some unspecified point in time.
    TNvG indicates that deadly force is justified to end existing threats, not to to prevent future threats.
    "A Tennessee statute provides that if, after a police officer has given notice of an intent to arrest a criminal suspect, the suspect flees or forcibly resists, "the officer may use all the necessary means to effect the arrest." Acting under the authority of this statute, a Memphis police officer shot and killed appellee-respondent Garner's son as, after being told to halt, the son fled over a fence at night in the backyard of a house he was suspected of burglarizing. The officer used deadly force despite being "reasonably sure" the suspect was unarmed and thinking that he was 17 or 18 years old and of slight build."

    Removing 'opinion', The Tennessee statute 'authorizes the use of deadly force against an apparently unarmed, nondangerous fleeing suspect."

    And in this case, they may or may not have been armed but were ABSOLUTELY dangerous.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    When I am 80, I would still not shoot a fleeing person in the back. That is just a cowardly pussy thing to do.
    Nothing personal...but thats you making that rather bold statement today from the safety of a keyboard and computer screen and NOT as that 80 year old that just got his ass jumped in his own home,waffle stomped, and body slammed breaking bones. For all your bluster...to pretend you (or anyone else here) can state what you would or wouldnt do in HIS position is just plain bull****. "Cowardly" and "pussy" is talking **** without being there and experiencing it.

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