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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    The mother cannot be removed from the situation.... the situation was created and caused by the mother.

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    I'm just curious and not trying to be snarky, but what if she had a baby in her hands and backed away using that baby as a shield....Would the old man have been justified then? If not, what is the difference?

    I'm really tying to understand the justification of property as more valuable than life.

    Even if I concede that shooting someone in defense of your property is permissible, can't anyone see how this cultural mindset will lead to innocent lives being lost?

    Example...

    High school track star shot and killed after jumping out of closet in prank gone horribly wrong: father - NY Daily News

    So the response might be....Well, he should have identified his target before he shot....

    Yes, that's true, but the reality is that a culture that values property over life this kind of thing will happen everyday. Most people that own firearms aren't capable of the mental dexterity it takes to evaluate a situation in a split second before making the determination to deploy lethal force. That's not intended to be insulting. It takes training, LOT's of training under the right circumstances. Most police don't possess the mental dexterity necessary, which is why we hear about lethal force being used when it probably shouldn't have.

    The problem is ALWAYS information. Do you have enough information to make a decision? Will your decision be judged in the light of the information you had, or should have considered on "Monday" when everyone reads about it?

    Protecting ones life is one thing, but killing someone because someone stole what amounts to a few hours of my labor.....Ummmm....I'm not convinced that unilateral lethal force is the cultural direction I advocate.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Cry a river for the low lifes that beat an old person. You are part of the problem.
    And what problem would that be? That a coward shooting people in the back should be legal?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    And what problem would that be? That a coward shooting people in the back should be legal?
    The part that you don't or refuse to see the reason she got shot. Basically, you don't care. All you care about is some mean old man used his gun and your anti gun stance wont allow you to give the elderly a break after being beaten severely. I suppose them killing him would have been just fine as long as he didn't fight back.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

    Anyway, I don't see in the article where he is "extremely pleased".

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    The part that you don't or refuse to see the reason she got shot.
    I know exactly why she got shot... The man wanted to send a message. This is murder, not defence.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Basically, you don't care.
    About some coward who would shoot fleeing people in the back? You are correct, I don't. We have police to catch fleeing felons.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    All you care about is some mean old man used his gun and your anti gun stance wont allow you to give the elderly a break after being beaten severely. I suppose them killing him would have been just fine as long as he didn't fight back.
    Wrong. You are however welcome to your opinion no matter how ignorant and uneducated it may sound.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Anyway, I don't see in the article where he is "extremely pleased".
    Watch the video.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    I know exactly why she got shot... The man wanted to send a message. This is murder, not defence.



    About some coward who would shoot fleeing people in the back? You are correct, I don't. We have police to catch fleeing felons.



    Wrong. You are however welcome to your opinion no matter how ignorant and uneducated it may sound.
    I guess as long as you "lean" anything other than conservative, you can call anyone anything you want. Bet I would be banned in a heart beat for calling you out as ignorant.
    Either way. I have zero sympathy for the bitch.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I guess as long as you "lean" anything other than conservative, you can call anyone anything you want.
    I did not call you anything. I said your opinion is "your opinion no matter how ignorant and uneducated it may sound." Your view of what my statement was, or was not, is not the issue here.

    And my "lean" has nothing to do with anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Bet I would be banned in a heart beat for calling you out as ignorant.
    This is off topic and irrelevant. If you called my statement "ignorant" I would not care and it is not against the rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Either way. I have zero sympathy for the bitch.
    I have no sympathy for her either. I do however know the difference between self defence and shooting an unarmed fleeing woman in the back.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    I know exactly why she got shot... The man wanted to send a message. This is murder, not defence.
    Then you do not know what you think you do, as he did not say that.

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    Here.
    Start at the 1:27 mark.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing his assailant

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    I did not call you anything. I said your opinion is "your opinion no matter how ignorant and uneducated it may sound." Your view of what my statement was, or was not, is not the issue here.

    And my "lean" has nothing to do with anything.



    This is off topic and irrelevant. If you called my statement "ignorant" I would not care and it is not against the rules.



    I have no sympathy for her either. I do however know the difference between self defence and shooting an unarmed fleeing woman in the back.
    Clearly you don't. Let me know your mind about these things when you are 80.

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