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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    I see there's the usual quota of nuts here, which I've come to expect on forums like these. Anything involving killers who claim self-defense is sure to bring them out from under their rocks. These creeps obviously don't believe in the Constitution and the rule of law that many hundreds of thousands of far better men than them have died to protect. They belong in Cuba, or Iran, or North Korea, or some other totalitarian hellhole, instead of taking up space in our great country.

    Not too comforting to think that if you ever commit some heinous crime like knocking on the door of one of these snap cases to ask about your missing dog, or if your kids are unlucky enough to go to his house on Halloween, it's even money he'll come out foaming at the mouth and shooting to kill. I'd bet any one of them has enough going awry in his head at any given moment to occupy a whole convention of psychiatrists.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

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    Yea Baby, Florida. Come to steal my junk, I pop a cap in yo azz post haste.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post



    But she's still dead, eh?

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    And you people wish to begrudge him for fighting back once he got to his weapon.
    Who exactly is saying that Greer did wrong when first started shooting at the crooks?
    Afaict, it's nobody.
    Nobody seems to fault Greer for shooting at the crooks when the crooks were inside his house.
    No one.


    Greer is criticized for shooting a fleeing, unarmed woman in the back.
    This is something entirely different that what Greer was doing inside of his house when he was shooting at the crooks.

    If you could recognize the difference between the two things [shooting to defend oneself and shooting a woman in the back], perhaps you would be better able to understand what your fellow posters are saying.


    Imho, the differences between defending yourself and shooting a fleeing woman in the back are easily distinguishable.
    But I guess that there is some way that the two things can get mixed up for some people.

    So, to say it again:

    Shooting crooks to defend yourself and your home = "GREAT JOB!"
    Shooting a fleeing unarmed woman = "murder"



    No one is objecting to the first part. We're all with you on that. Greer was well within his rights to defend himself by shooting at the crooks in his house.
    No fault found.

    The objection is to actions which occurred after the crooks started to flee.
    Greer chased down an unarmed woman and shot her in the back.
    That part, shooting an unarmed woman in the back, that's the objectionable part.


    It seems very clear that no one is objecting to Greer shooting to defend himself.
    I hope that is clear to you as well now.

    No one is "[begrudging] him for fighting back once he got to his weapon."

    Hope that helps. GL
    Last edited by Simon W. Moon; 08-03-14 at 01:09 PM.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I see there's the usual quota of nuts here, which I've come to expect on forums like these. Anything involving killers who claim self-defense is sure to bring them out from under their rocks. These creeps obviously don't believe in the Constitution and the rule of law that many hundreds of thousands of far better men than them have died to protect.
    A number of people on the intarwebz advocate evil because they think that it makes them "tuff".
    Just one of the many ways that evil seduces us--by stroking our egos.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robbery (Video) | Americans Against the Tea Party

    I'm glad he killed her too. Those two criminals didn't hesitate to attack an old man and then they were so arrogant as to continue robbing him after they attacked him. I only wish he killed the man too.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    This country would be a far worse place if it were filled with people like you. There are good reasons why we aren't allowed to kill people in revenge for something they did to us.
    We can agree about revenge. This was hot pursuit. I wonder just how many seconds have to go by or how many fleeing steps have to occur in order to make hot pursuit revenge. Is it five seconds and 20 steps? A bit less? A bit more?

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    We can agree about revenge. This was hot pursuit. I wonder just how many seconds have to go by or how many fleeing steps have to occur in order to make hot pursuit revenge. Is it five seconds and 20 steps? A bit less? A bit more?
    Istm, hot pursuit implies two things which are different from our current situation.

    "hot pursuit" is a term applied to cops--obviously Greer is not a cop
    "hot pursuit" applies to cops trying to apprehend a crook--Greer was not trying to apprehend Miller.

    So I don't see how speculation about "hot pursuit" applies in this situation at all.

    ymmv
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Istm, hot pursuit implies two things which are different from our current situation.

    "hot pursuit" is a term applied to cops--obviously Greer is not a cop
    "hot pursuit" applies to cops trying to apprehend a crook--Greer was not trying to apprehend Miller.

    So I don't see how speculation about "hot pursuit" applies in this situation at all.

    ymmv
    Hot pursuit is a perfectly good term. He got this gun and begin to chase. In just a few steps or seconds he killed her.

    Do you believe there are terms that only apply to police? Would you feel more comfortable if I gave you a much longer phrase that means essentially the same thing? Where do all the pedants come from?

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Hot pursuit is a perfectly good term. He got this gun and begin to chase. In just a few steps or seconds he killed her.
    Do you believe there are terms that only apply to police? Would you feel more comfortable if I gave you a much longer phrase that means essentially the same thing? Where do all the pedants come from?
    My bad. I thought you were trying to use "hot pursuit" like a legal term.
    "Hot pursuit" as some sort of a special status only applies to cops trying to apprehend someone. Cops in "hot pursuit" can enter and search buildings without a warrant, etc. Multiple related exceptions are made to cops' code of conduct when they are in "hot pursuit."
    Obviously, you weren't talking about this kind of "hot pursuit"--it doesn't apply to civilians trying to kill someone.

    So, to answer your question...
    There's no difference for a civilian between chasing someone with a gun and "revenge."
    So there's no magic number of steps or seconds or what have you.
    It just starts off as "revenge" and finishes as "revenge".
    Last edited by Simon W. Moon; 08-03-14 at 07:37 PM.
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