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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I see an imminent threat the minute you are attacked and every minute the criminal is around you. Don't chase the guy to shoot him unless he is still in your house and don't take out a sniper rifle and shoot him a half a mile away. Other than that his ass is grass...
    But this is exactly what the guy did. The woman he shot had already fled his house, and he shot her in the alleyway outside.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    from your own cite

    U.S. Law
    Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985). The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."


    Have you looked at California's penal code in regard to what is a justifiable homicide?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    But this is exactly what the guy did. The woman he shot had already fled his house, and he shot her in the alleyway outside.
    In this case the guy might be guilty... I was just commenting over all.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    from your own cite

    U.S. Law
    Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985). The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."


    Have you looked at California's penal code in regard to what is a justifiable homicide?
    Its all I could find in a short time, but it shows that shooting a fleeing felon is allowed in some cases and I think he has a defense. IF he is charged, which I doubt he will be.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    But this is exactly what the guy did. The woman he shot had already fled his house, and he shot her in the alleyway outside.
    Not to many people shedding too many tears about it.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Not to many people shedding too many tears about it.
    Even if it's true, is this supposed to make it okay? She wasn't liked so it's okay to murder her?
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Its all I could find in a short time, but it shows that shooting a fleeing felon is allowed in some cases and I think he has a defense. IF he is charged, which I doubt he will be.

    This watery gray area is reason for me to think twice before killing someone. If possible court time and possible imprisonment doesn't hurt your family then by all means go for it. But for me I have too many responsibilities to take this lightly. My family already had a family member kill someone and it will affect subsequent family generations.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Its all I could find in a short time...
    May be this will help

    CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE TITLE 8. OF CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON CHAPTER 1. HOMICIDE SECTION 187-199
    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199



    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE TITLE 8. OF CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON CHAPTER 1. HOMICIDE SECTION 187-199
    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199
    What circumstances make the homicide justifiable?

    Which of these things apply to Greer's actions?
    195. Homicide is excusable in the following cases:
    1. When committed by accident and misfortune, or in doing any other lawful act by lawful means, with usual and ordinary caution, and without any unlawful intent.
    2. When committed by accident and misfortune, in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or upon a sudden combat, when no undue advantage is taken, nor any dangerous weapon used, and when the killing is not done in a cruel or unusual manner.

    Greer reports that he acted intentionally. Greer did not act out of accident or misfortune.
    So this section does not apply to Greer.

    196. Homicide is justifiable when committed by public officers and those acting by their command in their aid and assistance, either--
    1. In obedience to any judgment of a competent Court; or,
    2. When necessarily committed in overcoming actual resistance to the execution of some legal process, or in the discharge of any other legal duty; or,
    3. When necessarily committed in retaking felons who have been rescued or have escaped, or when necessarily committed in arresting persons charged with felony, and who are fleeing from justice or resisting such arrest.

    Greer is not a public officer nor was acting by the command of a public officer.
    So this section does not apply to Greer.

    197. Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in
    any of the following cases:
    1. When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or,

    The Miller was pleading for her life when she was shot. So Greer was not resisting any of these attempts when he pulled the trigger.
    2. When committed in defense of habitation, property, or person, against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any person therein; or,
    3. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant or engaged in mutual combat, must really and in good faith have endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was committed; or,

    Miller was outside in the alley. She was intending and endeavoring to flee--not commit a felony. Yes, I realize that she had just committed a felony. But when she was shot she was not intending or endeavoring to commit a felony. As such Greer was no long defending himself and his when he killed Miller. Miller was not an imminent threat to Greer, Greer's family, or Greer's demesne--she was actively trying to leave the premises.
    4. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in lawfully suppressing any riot, or in awfully keeping and preserving the peace.

    Greer was not attempting to apprehend Miller. He was trying to kill her.

    198. A bare fear of the commission of any of the offenses mentioned in subdivisions 2 and 3 of Section 197, to prevent which homicide may be lawfully committed, is not sufficient to justify it. But the circumstances must be sufficient to excite the fears of a reasonable person, and the party killing must have acted under the influence of such fears alone.

    Even if Greer was afraid that Miller was about to do him or his harm [though Greer has not indicated this] it would be insufficient to justify the homicide because a reasonable person must also view the woman pleading for her life at gun point as an imminent threat.

    198.5. Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry occurred.
    As used in this section, great bodily injury means a significant or substantial physical injury.

    Greer shot Miller in the alley, not in Greer's house. So this one doesn't apply to Greer either.


    What about Greer shooting Miller makes it a justifiable homicide?
    It doesn't seem that any of these apply to Greer's situation imho.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Even if it's true, is this supposed to make it okay? She wasn't liked so it's okay to murder her?
    She went beyond "not liked" she was a vicious criminal that had no regard for the safety and well being of a elderly person. She beat and battered him, broke bones.
    And you people think she should have been free to just walk away from it. That is what is wrong in this country, the scum are given all the concessions and the victims are screwed.
    Time to change that.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    May be this will help

    CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE TITLE 8. OF CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON CHAPTER 1. HOMICIDE SECTION 187-199
    http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199
    Being in Cali and if he were much younger I could see them charging him. But at 80? Na.

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