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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    Lets look at the evidence

    They jumped him in the hallway threw him down and refocus on the safe. Notice the part where he said "I come back". That means that they appartrently was thinking too much of him which gave him time to get his gun. So again where was their willingness to kill?

    This sounds like a standard botch robbery of two criminal just wanting to come up.
    Right, as we all know, every 80 year old can be easily thrown to the ground without any harm, ever.

    Again, all I can write is "Sucks to be a tweaker jonesing for an armed mans property." End of story.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    So again where was their willingness to kill?
    This sounds like a standard botch robbery of two criminal just wanting to come up.
    Wtf?
    Throwing an eighty year-old down and beating on him, sure sounds like a disregard for life if you ask me, as those things can kill an eighty year-old.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You should be allowed to shoot somebody if they just attacked you regardless of whether they are running away or not...
    Perhaps that has been found to be too large of a loophole.
    We should carefully consider the full impact of changing legal theories which have been around for centuries.
    Not all of our traditions got to be the way they are by arbitrary accident--legal traditions in particular have had a great deal of thought and discussion put into them.

    Making it okay to shoot someone who is not an imminent threat would make it substantially easier to literally get away with murder.
    Might not be best to let that happen based on a corner case such as Mr. Greer's.


    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    He did what anyone would have done that thought they were fighting for their life and had just had enough.
    Except that he was not actually fighting for his life at that point. To hear Mr. Greer tell it, he was involved in a physical altercation, then he got his weapon, then he shot at the crooks, they left his house, then he killed Miller.
    So, according to Greer, when Greer was pulling the trigger, he was several steps removed form fighting for his life.
    While "anyone" may have shot Miller while fighting to protect their own life, it's not exactly what happened here.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    But the old man committed no crime.
    If the homicide is not legally justifiable, then the homicide is a crime.
    I have provided the relevant CA penal code.

    Can you quote the language in the penal code that you feel legally justifies Greer killing Miller?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    No you shouldn't. Self defense laws exist for the purpose of self defense, not revenge. If there is no imminent threat to you, deadly force is not justified.
    I disagree. It is not revenge it is about other factors including getting your property back and making sure he never attacks you again. Besides, for all you know the guy who just attacked you in your house and appears to be running away might very well turn the corner and run into your kids room. Shoot the ****er. HE made that decision the moment he attacked/robbed you in the first place.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Perhaps that has been found to be too large of a loophole.
    We should carefully consider the full impact of changing legal theories which have been around for centuries.
    Not all of our traditions got to be the way they are by arbitrary accident--legal traditions in particular have had a great deal of thought and discussion put into them.

    Making it okay to shoot someone who is not an imminent threat would make it substantially easier to literally get away with murder.
    Might not be best to let that happen based on a corner case such as Mr. Greer's.


    Except that he was not actually fighting for his life at that point. To hear Mr. Greer tell it, he was involved in a physical altercation, then he got his weapon, then he shot at the crooks, they left his house, then he killed Miller.
    So, according to Greer, when Greer was pulling the trigger, he was several steps removed form fighting for his life.
    While "anyone" may have shot Miller while fighting to protect their own life, it's not exactly what happened here.


    If the homicide is not legally justifiable, then the homicide is a crime.
    I have provided the relevant CA penal code.

    Can you quote the language in the penal code that you feel legally justifies Greer killing Miller?
    Fleeing felon rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So what. She just died more tired.
    So she was no longer a threat to him, and his shooting her was not justified.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So, if I walk up and clean your clock. OR that of your 80 year old parent or grand parent. You will just let me walk away.
    If you hit me, I pull a gun, and you run for your life, yes, I'll let you run away. I'll call the cops and hope you get arrested, but I won't kill you, because that's murder.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I disagree. It is not revenge it is about other factors including getting your property back and making sure he never attacks you again. Besides, for all you know the guy who just attacked you in your house and appears to be running away might very well turn the corner and run into your kids room. Shoot the ****er. HE made that decision the moment he attacked/robbed you in the first place.
    I disagree. There needs to be an imminent threat to justify the use of deadly force.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Perhaps that has been found to be too large of a loophole.
    We should carefully consider the full impact of changing legal theories which have been around for centuries.
    Not all of our traditions got to be the way they are by arbitrary accident--legal traditions in particular have had a great deal of thought and discussion put into them.

    Making it okay to shoot someone who is not an imminent threat would make it substantially easier to literally get away with murder.
    Might not be best to let that happen based on a corner case such as Mr. Greer's.
    A do agree that it opens it up to too many loopholes. I was really stating my wish more than it's effectiveness...
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I disagree. There needs to be an imminent threat to justify the use of deadly force.
    I see an imminent threat the minute you are attacked and every minute the criminal is around you. Don't chase the guy to shoot him unless he is still in your house and don't take out a sniper rifle and shoot him a half a mile away. Other than that his ass is grass...
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    You did read down far enough to see this, right?

    Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985). The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."
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