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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's the position I took at the start of this thread. Because of a couple of posts who reminded me of the adrenalin rush that happens when we're fighting for our lives, I'm now willing to cut him some slack. When we are "the hunted," our more primitive brain functions take over, and we're not thinking rationally. I rather think that might be what happened here.
    While empathizing with his state of mind in that moment is understandable...
    I don't think that Greer has much slack legally.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    I wouldn't want to try to defend this man if the D.A.'s office charges him for killing the woman. From what's been reported, several things would tend to work against him.

    The two intruders, even though they roughed him up enough to break his collarbone, were both unarmed.

    They let the homeowner get up and go to another room, where he got the gun. That tends to undercut the claim that he had good reason to fear he was in danger of death or great physical harm from them. He might just have locked himself away from them, or left the house, or phoned for help, and he could have pocketed the gun in the meantime, just in case they tried to attack him further.

    He came back with the gun and shot at the two, even though by then they seemed to have turned away from him to search for things to steal.

    He shot the woman in an alley, even though she had clearly submitted to him by pleading for him not to shoot.

    He ignored her plea and shot her twice in the back.

    He then dragged the woman back onto his property. That suggests he knew he had not shot her to defend himself but was trying to make it look more like he had.

    If he is charged, the prosecution might claim he did not kill the woman to protect himself or anyone else from the threat of death or great bodily harm at her hands. They might argue that the real reason was that he knew, or thought he did, that the two had broken in on him before, and that was trying to make sure--by killing them both--that they could never do it again. But if that were reason enough, it would be all right to kill anyone who had committed a crime against you to keep him from ever doing it again, even is he had never put you at risk of death or serious injury.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    From the CNN report, the man had been robbed three times prior to this incident.

    There was no mention they had robbed him before, but they did mention his fear was they'd just come back again if he didn't fight back.
    They also mentioned this specific couple had a history of robbery.

    At this point in time, I hope they don't charge the man with any crime at all.
    CBS and CNN have differed in the facts presented. See: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063569238

    According to CBS (linked above), "Police said both burglars were unarmed and that Greer told officers the same couple had robbed him at least twice previously."

    This is why it's important to reserve judgment until all the facts are in. Both CBS and CNN are legit sources, but their info varies.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    This is why it's important to reserve judgment until all the facts are in. Both CBS and CNN are legit sources, but their info varies.
    Reserve judgement? Come on , this is DP. We have legal experts here who are so astute they can determine what the defendent actually meant to say.

    I just can remember the old adage about shooting a burglar in your house who is blown out the window and dragging him back inside to save your arse. With that said, I still believe shooting her down an alley is going to be a high hurdle. But it only my opinion,which at this point is about as misguided as any of the other legal experts here.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    See, this is the problem that I have. Pro lifers hold a hard-lined position about the rights of the unborn child. It does not matter if the mother is homeless, got raped, and/or is a murdering thief... the child is still innocent and needs protection. No ifs, ands or buts about it, except if she is shot by someone protecting his property. Not very consistent, and to me, it opens your no holds barred stance on abortion.
    This is not about Pro Life and or Pro Choice. This is about what two scumbags got for beating an old man before trying to steal from him. So, its actually very consistent.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    The victim said this is the third time they have tried to rob him.

    They suspects both climbed through his window, which are not big in a small apartment like that, and were wrestling with a safe when he walked in.

    Does any of that give you an indication that the woman was actually pregnant?

    This was the third time they have been there to rob him, but he made sure there would not be a fourth.

    He did what he had to do.

    I think the imminent threat in this case could be extended being that he could be sure they would try it again and they came close this time to killing him.
    I have no problem with what he did, her death and the boyfriend being charged.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If he chases her down the alley and shoots him in the back? Yes.
    Sorry you have such little respect for your father. I would give him a medal.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Sorry you have such little respect for your father. I would give him a medal.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

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    It seems that CA law says that if you shoot them in your house after they break in, the law must assume that you were in reasonable fear and the homicide is justifiable.
    It sounds like the statute sets up what's called a "rebuttable presumption" that a person's use of deadly force under those circumstances was justified. It doesn't automatically make the killing justifiable--it just shifts the burden to the prosecution to show it was not. And sometimes it will be able to do that.

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