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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yea, him saying it's gonna leave a message is not him saying it's gonna leave a message
    let's see what the legal system does and then discuss it

    Now you are purposely misstating what has been said.
    He did not say he shot her to leave a message. He said his shooting her will leave a message.

    to leave
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    will leave
    Two different things.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Maybe you do not want everybody on the same page with factual information, but I have found it is the best place for all to start.
    And yes you can hear what he said.
    He did not say he shot her to send a message.
    It really doesn't matter whether he said "comma" or not. The big hammer facing him is the real fact he shot her twice in the back running down an alley from him. She isn't running out the door but rather down an alley. At this point the physical evidence has nailed him. And it sounds as if he is ready to take the consequences.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    It really doesn't matter whether he said "comma" or not. The big hammer facing him is the real fact he shot her twice in the back running down an alley from him. She isn't running out the door but rather down an alley. At this point the physical evidence has nailed him. And it sounds as if he is ready to take the consequences.
    Yeah, he's on the hook. He admits that he shot her in the moment (after they broke in and then beat him) and then thought, oh ****, and dragged her back onto his property. So he knew he was boned. But, he's 80 and they did break in and were violent. There's a good chance that any jury in the land would let him go and grill any DA that took him to trial.

    You know that DAs are elected, right?

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    It really doesn't matter whether he said "comma" or not. The big hammer facing him is the real fact he shot her twice in the back running down an alley from him. She isn't running out the door but rather down an alley. At this point the physical evidence has nailed him. And it sounds as if he is ready to take the consequences.
    I care not about everything else you said. I did not comment on it because I am already on the record saying it was illegal.

    So now back to the point.
    Yes it does matter to factually correct information, and all being on the same page.
    While opinions about the facts may very, we all should attempt to get and keep the facts straight.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Now you are purposely misstating what has been said.
    He did not say he shot her to leave a message. He said his shooting her will leave a message.

    to leave
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    will leave
    Two different things.
    here is exactly what he said, together with the cite:
    “I shot her so that’s going to leave a message on his mind for the rest of his life.”
    California 80-year-old satisfied after gunning down fleeing pregnant home intruder
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Maybe the "so" here is functioning as a coordinating conjunction between two sentences and should be "and that " rather than "so that"?

    Anyone else remember the case from several years ago of the older man in Houston who shot two men in the back and was no-billed by a grand jury? Grand jury clears Joe Horn for shooting men | abc13.com

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Well, you know she wasn't pregnant, right? Makes that first report a bit of a lie. And again, he's 80. Back in his day the police would be giving him a medal and the mayor the keys to the city. It's now, but a few of us still remember when the violent criminal deserved what they got.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yeah, he's on the hook. He admits that he shot her in the moment (after they broke in and then beat him) and then thought, oh ****, and dragged her back onto his property. So he knew he was boned. But, he's 80 and they did break in and were violent. There's a good chance that any jury in the land would let him go and grill any DA that took him to trial.

    You know that DAs are elected, right?
    They will have to give him some kind of sentence. Really, really doubtful he would harm anyone else but you do have to have some kind of punishment. Yes it stinks to give him a punishment but it is the way the law is written when it comes to self defense.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, you know she wasn't pregnant, right? Makes that first report a bit of a lie. And again, he's 80. Back in his day the police would be giving him a medal and the mayor the keys to the city. It's now, but a few of us still remember when the violent criminal deserved what they got.
    These arguments teach me more and more that patient endurance is the best solution. Sooner or later most gun owners will have died of old age and we can begin to return to legal and cultural sanity on the issue.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    They will have to give him some kind of sentence. Really, really doubtful he would harm anyone else but you do have to have some kind of punishment. Yes it stinks to give him a punishment but it is the way the law is written when it comes to self defense.
    Yeah, I understand and would even agree, except now it's in the national press and the locals (specifically the voters) have their attention fixed on the matter. Depends on how close election time for the DA is. I'm thinking they may just cut bait on this one and let him go as long as he agrees to be quiet.

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