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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    can't agree with that
    each of us, once we achieve the age of emancipation, is responsible for our emotions
    to be adult is to avoid allowing others to affect one's emotions. it's how we accept personal responsibility
    his justified anger at being a B&E victim (multiple times) and being physically assaulted, does not justify his revenge murder of a woman in retreat
    You don't have to agree, but you have totally missed the point of being caught up in the moment of a traumatic experience.
    Unless trained, hardly anyone has control when experiencing such trauma.
    And you are suggesting revenge murder. BS. He was caught up.
    Just in case; No he didn't say he did it to send a message.


    What the guy did was illegal, but understandable.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I actually don't think he did, Mason. (Say that, I mean.)
    I watched his interview on Channel 4 and that is exactly what he said, which made me think how he could have known it was the same 2 people.

    He also made a comment about the key for the safe being in a different place this time, so it sounded like both times before the burglars knew where the key was.

    It is wierd.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    No, she was NOT pregnant. Stop repeating that misinformation.
    I wonder whether CBS or CNN has it wrong:

    "[Long Beach Police Chief] McDonnell said an autopsy will provide the answer as to whether Miller really was pregnant. Police in Long Beach, California mull charges for Tom Greer, 80, who fatally shot female burglar who said she was pregnant - CBS News

    "The woman was not pregnant, Ed Winter of the Los Angeles County Coroner's Office told CNN on Friday." Man, 80, to be charged for killing 'pregnant' intruder? - CNN.com

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You don't have to agree, but you have totally missed the point of being caught up in the moment of a traumatic experience. Unless trained, hardly anyone has control when experiencing such trauma.
    That's the thing--he returns home, is assaulted (broken collarbone and other more "minor" injuries, and I put that in quotes because at 80, surely nothing is minor), grabs the gun, adrenalin is pumping and fight-or-flight instinct is kicking in....

    But I still don't understand shooting someone who's running away in the back. In pain and terrified, he was out of control. Lost control of his good judgment.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I wonder whether CBS or CNN has it wrong:

    "[Long Beach Police Chief] McDonnell said an autopsy will provide the answer as to whether Miller really was pregnant. Police in Long Beach, California mull charges for Tom Greer, 80, who fatally shot female burglar who said she was pregnant - CBS News

    "The woman was not pregnant, Ed Winter of the Los Angeles County Coroner's Office told CNN on Friday." Man, 80, to be charged for killing 'pregnant' intruder? - CNN.com
    Do you really wonder which one is correct?

    The story at 3:51 PM or the one at 10:49 PM when they had more information?

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The guy shot the chick as she and her boyfriend were running away....outside the house....down the alley.
    What is the difference between "running away" and "repositioning your forces into a better tactical position to continue the attack?"

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Read about this earlier and I'm pretty sure this guy is going to pay a hefty price.

    The guy shot the chick as she and her boyfriend were running away....outside the house....down the alley.

    Deadly force is fine when an imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm exists. That sure doesn't seem to be the case here.
    I don't think so Lutherf, polling by the local media shows 3/4 of citizens don't want the guy charged.

    This was the third time these druggies had burglarised the home.

    They attacked an 80 year old man, broke his collar bone and when the old geaser armed himself with a .22 revolver, he shot a fleeing felon.

    I have no problem with shooting fleeing felons. That's how it use to be back in the good old days.

    The girls boyfriend has been apprehended and has already been charged for murder.

    There's not a jury that would convict the 80 year old man, not even in Los Angeles County.

    I think we should put a thousand 80 year old men on the border and watch how fast our borders become secured.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Police have arrested a third suspect involved in Tuesday night's robbery that left one other suspect dead after the resident fatally shot her.
    After investigating the incident further, Long Beach Police Department detectives discovered a third suspect, identified as 49-year-old Ruby Adams of Long Beach, was involved in the residential robbery.

    Adams was arrested and booked for robbery Thursday night. It is anticipated that charges will also be filed against Ruby Adams on Monday.

    Adams has been identified as the mother of another suspect, Gus Adams, who was arrested Wednesday and charged with one count each of murder, residential robbery, residential burglary, grand theft of a firearm and felon possession of a firearm. UPDATE: Police Arrest Third Suspect in Connection with Tuesday Night Bixby Knolls Robbery That Left One Suspect Dead

    Pics of Miller and Gus Adams available at link.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    That's the thing--he returns home, is assaulted (broken collarbone and other more "minor" injuries, and I put that in quotes because at 80, surely nothing is minor), grabs the gun, adrenalin is pumping and fight-or-flight instinct is kicking in....

    But I still don't understand shooting someone who's running away in the back. In pain and terrified, he was out of control. Lost control of his good judgment.
    You don't understand that is what can happen under such trauma?
    I do not see why you can't.


    And why do you assume he is in pain at that point?
    With all that adrenalin flowing, I seriously doubt it was anything but an afterthought at the moment.

    So back to what you left out of the quote.

    What the guy did was illegal, but understandable.


    And btw, it was the fight instinct that kicked it. Not the flight one.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    What is the difference between "running away" and "repositioning your forces into a better tactical position to continue the attack?"
    Well, a "tactical withdrawal" works both ways. While you're repositioning your opponent also has the opportunity to resupply, fortify and reinforce.

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