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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Sadly yes, but mom made it collateral damage.
    See, this is the problem that I have. Pro lifers hold a hard-lined position about the rights of the unborn child. It does not matter if the mother is homeless, got raped, and/or is a murdering thief... the child is still innocent and needs protection. No ifs, ands or buts about it, except if she is shot by someone protecting his property. Not very consistent, and to me, it opens your no holds barred stance on abortion.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Here's a question for some people: What if the gunman missed and hit an innocent bystander, would that have been the dead woman's fault too?
    Dunno' for sure TC... as I understand ... any death during the commission of a crime is attributable to the party committing that crime.... If the be true..then Yes

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Remember this was the third time these same 2 have been there to rob him. The fourth time they might have succedded in killing him. They sure tried this time.
    From what I remember, he'd been robbed twice before when he wasn't at home. Where are you getting that these same people did it twice before?

    I do think it's likely they would have killed him before they left, though, since he'd seen them and they'd already beat the livin' daylights out of him. At least, if I were him, I'd have made that assumption.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    See, this is the problem that I have. Pro lifers hold a hard-lined position about the rights of the unborn child. It does not matter if the mother is homeless, got raped, and/or is a murdering thief... the child is still innocent and needs protection. No ifs, ands or buts about it, except if she is shot by someone protecting his property. Not very consistent, and to me, it opens your no holds barred stance on abortion.
    No, in both cases she would be acting on another person that pro-lifers see as having basic human rights and in both cases she is responsible for the well being of the child. I don't see anything about their logic that is inconsistent.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    See, this is the problem that I have. Pro lifers hold a hard-lined position about the rights of the unborn child. It does not matter if the mother is homeless, got raped, and/or is a murdering thief... the child is still innocent and needs protection. No ifs, ands or buts about it, except if she is shot by someone protecting his property. Not very consistent, and to me, it opens your no holds barred stance on abortion.
    Argue the point you're making, of course. But later information revealed that the woman was not pregnant.
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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Good to know there was no innocent victim here, just a liar who attacked a homeowner in his home after trying to steal his property and got shot.

    Going to need something quite compelling to turn this around on the homeowner, because in a situation like this, he certainly deserves every benefit of the doubt.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    what I found to be strange is, even after the robbers were discovered, they attacked the homeowner beating him, long enough to go back to robbing again.

    these people have no respect for property and other people.

    I know law does not cover shooting people fleeing, but being honest, I would have shot and killed them to.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I know law does not cover shooting people fleeing, but being honest, I would have shot and kill them to.
    In California? No, their laws make the prospect of owning a gun odious, let alone using one in self-defense.

    In my state? We can absolutely shoot a thief trying to make off with our property.

    It matters to me whether or not they had stolen anything, and since they were inside after breaking in and messing with his safe, I think it likely they had stolen at least some item of opportunity. But I will wait for the facts to be sussed out. Major details are yet to be known here - when you rush to a story and rush to make conclusions, you end up with thread titles and news articles that include falsehoods - case in point, the thief was not pregnant.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    Dunno' for sure TC... as I understand ... any death during the commission of a crime is attributable to the party committing that crime.... If the be true..then Yes

    maybe I'm wrong

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    I'm fairly certain that a death caused by a secondary crime that is committed in response to the initial crime is attributable to the initiating party. For example, if I pick a dudes pocket and he decides to shoot a baby in the park across the street, I doubt I'm going to be on the hook for his actions.

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    Re: 80-Year-Old Extremely Pleased About Killing Pregnant Woman Fleeing Botched Robber

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, in both cases she would be acting on another person that pro-lifers see as having basic human rights and in both cases she is responsible for the well being of the child. I don't see anything about their logic that is inconsistent.
    Huh? In English please.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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