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    Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

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    ..... latest trial to test the role of expansive self-defense laws in racially charged deaths by gunfire.

    In statements to the press, he called the shooting “justified” and “reasonable,” invoking language from Michigan’s “Shoot First” laws that allow immunity for some self-defense shootings.

    ....in announcing she would charge Wafer with second-degree murder, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said her office determined that Wafer “did not act in lawful self-defense.”

    Wafer’s lawyer Cheryl Carpenter argued in opening statements Wednesday morning that Wafer shot McBride out of fear. To bolster that argument with legal support, she will have two options under Michigan’s expanded self-defense laws that grew out of NRA lobbying. In addition to passing a “Stand Your Ground” law in 2006 that expands the sanctioned use of deadly force outside the home, Michigan also expanded the so-called “Castle Doctrine,” which allows deadly force to protect one’s dwelling, to include areas around the home such as a yard or porch.

    For Wafer to successfully invoke the “Castle Doctrine,” he would have to show that McBride was “in the process of breaking and entering a dwelling.” Prosecutors said there no evidence of forced entry. And the autopsy report shows McBride was not shot at close range.

    Wafer could also use the state’s Stand Your Ground law to show that he reasonably believed force was necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.


    I think these laws are dangerous and empower people to act on irrational fears. Irrational fears that seem to consistently provoke them to shoot black people. IMHO, unless they consider that sector of our population dispensable these laws need to be changed in consideration of these real world outcomes.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

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    Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week | ThinkProgress

    Remember this story? From the article

    ..... latest trial to test the role of expansive self-defense laws in racially charged deaths by gunfire.

    In statements to the press, he called the shooting “justified” and “reasonable,” invoking language from Michigan’s “Shoot First” laws that allow immunity for some self-defense shootings.

    ....in announcing she would charge Wafer with second-degree murder, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said her office determined that Wafer “did not act in lawful self-defense.”

    Wafer’s lawyer Cheryl Carpenter argued in opening statements Wednesday morning that Wafer shot McBride out of fear. To bolster that argument with legal support, she will have two options under Michigan’s expanded self-defense laws that grew out of NRA lobbying. In addition to passing a “Stand Your Ground” law in 2006 that expands the sanctioned use of deadly force outside the home, Michigan also expanded the so-called “Castle Doctrine,” which allows deadly force to protect one’s dwelling, to include areas around the home such as a yard or porch.

    For Wafer to successfully invoke the “Castle Doctrine,” he would have to show that McBride was “in the process of breaking and entering a dwelling.” Prosecutors said there no evidence of forced entry. And the autopsy report shows McBride was not shot at close range.

    Wafer could also use the state’s Stand Your Ground law to show that he reasonably believed force was necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.


    I think these laws are dangerous and empower people to act on irrational fears. Irrational fears that seem to consistently provoke them to shoot black people. IMHO, unless they consider that sector of our population dispensable these laws need to be changed in consideration of these real world outcomes.
    Is this the one where the guy shot through the closed front door?
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

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    Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week | ThinkProgress

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    I think these laws are dangerous and empower people to act on irrational fears. Irrational fears that seem to consistently provoke them to shoot black people. IMHO, unless they consider that sector of our population dispensable these laws need to be changed in consideration of these real world outcomes.
    Maybe I misunderstand something. I recall that tragic story.

    Definitive Self Defense Laws have nothing to do with the color of skin... hmmm, I guess your final statement is puzzling to me.



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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Combine stupid cowboy laws that allow murder based on how someone "feels" with racist paranoia and this is your result.
    Gun fetishists see all their perceived fears, no matter how wrong they may be, as targets.
    Shoot first and ask questions later castle laws are a recipe for murder.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week | ThinkProgress

    Remember this story? From the article

    ..... latest trial to test the role of expansive self-defense laws in racially charged deaths by gunfire.

    In statements to the press, he called the shooting “justified” and “reasonable,” invoking language from Michigan’s “Shoot First” laws that allow immunity for some self-defense shootings.

    ....in announcing she would charge Wafer with second-degree murder, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said her office determined that Wafer “did not act in lawful self-defense.”

    Wafer’s lawyer Cheryl Carpenter argued in opening statements Wednesday morning that Wafer shot McBride out of fear. To bolster that argument with legal support, she will have two options under Michigan’s expanded self-defense laws that grew out of NRA lobbying. In addition to passing a “Stand Your Ground” law in 2006 that expands the sanctioned use of deadly force outside the home, Michigan also expanded the so-called “Castle Doctrine,” which allows deadly force to protect one’s dwelling, to include areas around the home such as a yard or porch.

    For Wafer to successfully invoke the “Castle Doctrine,” he would have to show that McBride was “in the process of breaking and entering a dwelling.” Prosecutors said there no evidence of forced entry. And the autopsy report shows McBride was not shot at close range.

    Wafer could also use the state’s Stand Your Ground law to show that he reasonably believed force was necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.


    I think these laws are dangerous and empower people to act on irrational fears. Irrational fears that seem to consistently provoke them to shoot black people. IMHO, unless they consider that sector of our population dispensable these laws need to be changed in consideration of these real world outcomes.


    The actions of a handful of people with poor judgment do not justify needless constraints on the self-defense rights of hundreds of millions of citizens.

    If it were so, we would have gotten rid of automobiles long ago.


    ... and since charges have been filed, one can hardly say the system has failed to act to seek justice in this case.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Combine stupid cowboy laws that allow murder based on how someone "feels" with racist paranoia and this is your result.
    Gun fetishists see all their perceived fears, no matter how wrong they may be, as targets.
    Shoot first and ask questions later castle laws are a recipe for murder.

    Your'e the one with the Gun fetish, AND the race fetish.

    And apparently you have some Cowboy fetish. TMI, you could have kept that to yourself.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    I would hate to be a juror in this case. Seems like without any video or audio evidence it would be hard to know whether this was legit self defense or murder.

    As far as changing the laws I disagree. Obvious solution would be for people to not step foot on another person's property (especially not high/drunk in the middle of the night). If he did shoot her for simply being black I hope he gets the needle.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Your'e the one with the Gun fetish, AND the race fetish.

    And apparently you have some Cowboy fetish. TMI, you could have kept that to yourself.
    I don't shoot innocent people in cold blood on my front porch out of a paranoid fear because I think the law says I can.
    Your attempt at projection is baseless, feeble and very poorly executed.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Combine stupid cowboy laws that allow murder based on how someone "feels" with racist paranoia and this is your result.
    Gun fetishists see all their perceived fears, no matter how wrong they may be, as targets.
    Shoot first and ask questions later castle laws are a recipe for murder.
    Regardless of race, if you were to see a stranger on you property in the middle of the night I doubt many would say you would be overly paranoid by feeling threatened. Now is that person is on drunk and on drugs there is no telling how the situation went down. She could have been out of her mind at that poimt in time and the old man felt genuinely scared for his life.

    Without having been there or seeing all of the evidence to condemn this man as some kimd of racist cowboy is a bit premature. If he is then I hope justice gets served but I believe in innocent until proven guilty or is that no longer acceptable.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

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    Is this the one where the guy shot through the closed front door?
    Yes.
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