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Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

Charging that man with murder is unjustified and is obviously a blatant case of anti-white racism. Plain and simple.
 
Buck Ewer said:
Where does it mention her drug dealers house?
Or is that just you making **** up?
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That's twice, Buck.

I've never mentioned a drug dealer's house. I've never mentioned SYG. I've not made anything up. The NY Times article I cited stated: “...prosecutors indicated on Wednesday that the authorities may never know where Ms. McBride was and what she was doing immediately before her death. This is because “Several hours later, and six blocks from the crash site, Ms. McBride appeared on Mr. Wafer’s front porch.” http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/u...igan-man-who-shot-teenager-on-porch.html?_r=2

Based on that, I posted "Maybe McBride was injured and seeking help, as her family has suggested, or maybe in those missing hours she hooked up with more booze and drugs and was out of her head." This is called "speculating," not "making **** up."
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...es-murder-charges-week-17.html#post1063561067

The point is that not even prosecutors in this trial know where McBride was for several hours and that perhaps this mystery will never be solved. But I don't think she was unconscious in the wrecked car because eyewitnesses who tried to help her said she wandered away from it. I do think, given that McBride was twice the legal limit at the time of her death, which was, again, several hours after the wreck, that it's reasonable to wonder how messed up she was at the time of the wreck and about what happened after that.
 
nota bene said:
That's twice, Buck.

I've never mentioned a drug dealer's house. I've never mentioned SYG. I've not made anything up. The NY Times article I cited stated: “...prosecutors indicated on Wednesday that the authorities may never know where Ms. McBride was and what she was doing immediately before her death. This is because “Several hours later, and six blocks from the crash site, Ms. McBride appeared on Mr. Wafer’s front porch.” http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/u...igan-man-who-shot-teenager-on-porch.html?_r=2

Based on that, I posted "Maybe McBride was injured and seeking help, as her family has suggested, or maybe in those missing hours she hooked up with more booze and drugs and was out of her head." This is called "speculating," not "making **** up."
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...es-murder-charges-week-17.html#post1063561067

The point is that not even prosecutors in this trial know where McBride was for several hours and that perhaps this mystery will never be solved. But I don't think she was unconscious in the wrecked car because eyewitnesses who tried to help her said she wandered away from it. I do think, given that McBride was twice the legal limit at the time of her death, which was, again, several hours after the wreck, that it's reasonable to wonder how messed up she was at the time of the wreck and about what happened after that.
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I speculate that she was abducted by aliens and spent the two hours on Saturn where the aliens probed her and injected the alcohol right into her blood.
See I didn't make any **** up either ...
...I speculated...
 
I misquoted. :doh
Excon said:
Buck Ewer said:
Someone did those things, or McBride would still be alive.
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:lamo
You sure aren't paying attention to what you yourself quoted previously.

Buck Ewer said:
Someone did those things, or McBride would still be alive.
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:doh
No, no one did what you claimed happened.
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The above should have been like the following.


Buck Ewer said:
Self defense or accident?
It can't be both.
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You sure aren't paying attention to what you yourself quoted previously.


Buck Ewer said:
Someone did those things, or McBride would still be alive.
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:doh
No, no one did what you claimed happened.
 
nota bene said:
I do think, given that McBride was twice the legal limit at the time of her death, which was, again, several hours after the wreck, that it's reasonable to wonder how messed up she was at the time of the wreck and about what happened after that.
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Several hours after and twice the legal limit.
Gee, what do you think a jury will think of that?
 
More information is made available.


Porch shooter: I didn't know gun was loaded

DETROIT (AP) — A suburban Detroit man who killed an unarmed woman on his porch immediately suggested to police it was an accident and that he didn't know his shotgun was loaded, according to recorded remarks played in court Thursday.

Theodore Wafer, dressed in jeans and a T-shirt, met officers outside his Dearborn Heights home after they responded to his 911 call around 4:30 a.m. on Nov. 2.

"What happened here?" Sgt. Rory McManmon asked, according to the recording played by prosecutors.

"A consistent knocking on the door, and I'm trying to look through the windows and the door," Wafer said. "It's banging somewhere else so I open up the door, kind of like who is this? And the gun discharged.

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Porch shooter: I didn't know gun was loaded​
 
opendebate said:
You're assuming the person is actually a threat. That's not what's being discussed. It's the discretion given to the armed. This girl posed no real threat. This homeowner was empowered to act with deadly force on an irrational fear because of the reputation of SYG laws and the way they are written in some states.
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The fact that this man has been charged indicates that this alleged perception of SYG/Castle giving one a license to kill is in error.


As I could have told him beforehand....
 
Goshin said:
The fact that this man has been charged indicates that this alleged perception of SYG/Castle giving one a license to kill is in error.


As I could have told him beforehand....
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But what if the man is not convicted because of the castle doctrine.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
But what if the man is not convicted because of the castle doctrine.
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The jury will hear the case. One of the judgments they will make is whether the shooting passes the reasonable man test.


Based on the information WE have available (from the news, a notoriously unreliable source), it does not look reasonable. But what other information a jury may yet see, I cannot say. Thus I reserve judgment and decline to accept the notion that he MUST be found guilty or something is wrong.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
But what if the man is not convicted because of the castle doctrine.
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Apparently he now isn't even claiming a SYG defense. He claims that he didn't know his shotgun was loaded and when he aimed it at her face it discharged by itself.
If he presents his defense as an accident he can't simultaneously claim castle doctrine. A self defense killing would require a non accidental purposeful shooting. His counsel seems to have given up on a castle doctrine, justified killing, defense.
 
The latest now is that Wafer has dropped the accidental shooting defense and his lawyers opening statements suggest that he is now looking for a self defense plea.
DETROIT, MI -- When 55-year-old Theodore Wafer of Deaborn Heights shot and killed 19-year-old Renisha McBride of Detroit on his front doorstep, he initially told police it was accidental.

Wafer's defense team is now claiming self defense.

Prosecutors on Thursday, the second day of testimony, presented dash-cam video and audio from Dearborn Heights Police Sgt. Rory McManmon, the first officer on the scene about 4:45 a.m. Nov. 2.

"It's a little Mossberg (shotgun) you know, self-defense ... I opened the door and it's kind of like, who is this, and the gun discharged," Wafer is head saying. "I didn't know there was a round in there. I don't get it. Who's knocking on your door at 4:30 a.m., bang, bang, bang, somebody wanting in."

Cheryl Carpenter, Wafer's lead attorney, never mentioned the firing of the weapon being accidental during her opening statements. Carpenter said Wafer pulled the trigger out of fear, that McBride was banging doors so hard it was shaking the house. Wafer, who was awoken from his slumber in a living room recliner, thought there were multiple people outside, couldn't find his cell phone and grabbed his shotgun.
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Theodore Wafer now claims self defense, initially told police shooting of Renisha McBride accidental | MLive.com
There goes manslaughter. It looks like he is on trial for murder now.
 
Buck Ewer said:
That Wafer murdered a drunk.
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:doh No. The case doesn't fit murder.
The jury is going to wonder why she was two times over the legal limit 3½ hours later, and where she had been to get that way.
And being that drunk, they will instinctively know she wasn't looking for any assistance.

Buck Ewer said:
The latest now is that Wafer has dropped the accidental shooting defense and his lawyers opening statements suggest that he is now looking for a self defense plea.

There goes manslaughter. It looks like he is on trial for murder now.
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:doh
He is still on trial for that and the lesser included offense known as manslaughter. Duh!
 
Goshin said:
The fact that this man has been charged indicates that this alleged perception of SYG/Castle giving one a license to kill is in error.


As I could have told him beforehand....
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I'll agree with you that the fact that he may or may go to prison for what he did sends the right statement. But that girl is still dead and it's my guess that others will follow unless the laws change. Some states of SYG laws that don't have the same loopholes so they don't have the same problems. Why don't the states with poorly written SYG laws just follow lead of theses states
 
opendebate said:
I'll agree with you that the fact that he may or may go to prison for what he did sends the right statement. But that girl is still dead and it's my guess that others will follow unless the laws change. Some states of SYG laws that don't have the same loopholes so they don't have the same problems. Why don't the states with poorly written SYG laws just follow lead of theses states
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SYG isn't really at issue here. This would be under Castle Law... and as I've said, I don't know of any state where you can simply shoot someone for being in your yard without some additional and reasonable indication of threat.

That some idiots have misinterpreted the law, or more likely just did something stupid THEN tried to cover themselves with it, is not an indicator that the LAW is flawed.... more of an indicator that the PERSON who shot was where the screw up occurred.
 
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