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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So a dude walking up to my house is "deemed by me" to be a threat. I kill him. Later I find out he's a Jehovah's Witness, unarmed, and was simply coming to talk about Jesus and the Bible.

    Guess I'm off the hook huh?
    Only if you can convince a jury that your deeming the victim to be a threat was reasonable. As Goshin pointed out, not even the most generous Castle Laws allow the shooter alone to make the determination as to what was reasonable.

    Rather, society determines what is reasonable. This determination will vary community by community.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Just so we're all clear here.....how much is a human life worth?
    What's a reasonable value of something to kill somebody over?

    So a dude walking up to my house is "deemed by me" to be a threat. I kill him. Later I find out he's a Jehovah's Witness, unarmed, and was simply coming to talk about Jesus and the Bible.

    Guess I'm off the hook huh? How was I to know he only wanted to talk about Jesus. I thought he was a threat to my home, property, and safety.
    I sure as hell wasn't going to let him get right up to my front door. That's damn near suicide.

    Im only responsible for MY life, not the " human life " thats just illegally invaded my house and or garage to do who knows what

    Ask the theif what he thinks his life is worth.

    That would actually be a relevent question because he's the one risking it.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Wrong. Their feelings are held to the "reasonable man standard". As in, "would a reasonable person in the same situation also perceive a serious threat?"

    It is NOT simply about the shooter's feelings alone. If their perception of threat is deemed unreasonable by a jury, then they are liable for their action.
    Tell me then ...How does one prove a feeling?

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    It doesn't matter, if you're white and have a gun any actions are justifiable.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Hell, why do they need a trial at all ?

    They could just convict the guy on your opinion alone.
    I offer my opinion on a public forum that I think he is a murderer, just as you think that he is not.
    Calm down, our opinions will not affect the outcome of his trial.
    However if enough people understand the absurdity of a law that grants murder immunity for reason of "feelings"... we can change those laws to something saner and more civilized.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    And you'll go to jail for life for being an idiot.
    Only in states that think criminals have rights, thus why I live in Texas
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Texas are neck and neck with China for executions, aren't they?
    Don't work out, work in.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Tell me then ...How does one prove a feeling?
    You are attempting to make the wrong analysis:

    - The proscecution does not need to prove that the shooter did not have "feeling "X" ".

    - Rather, the shooter needs to prove that the feeling was reasonable. Nobody is going to question him as to whether or not he actually had feeling "X".

    How "reasonable" is defined in regards to self defense can vary from state to state and from county to county. That aside, this idiot would be in trouble in even the most pro gun counties. I hope he gets convicted.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The criminal made the decision to risk his life over a leaf blower.

    What you want is for the victim to know for a fact that that criminal is satisfied with just a leaf blower
    Yeah sure ... maybe he wants your rake as well... then what will you do? The leaves will bury you next fall.
    Better kill him.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    People who think killing a person over a leaf blower have their priorities confused.
    People who think shooting someone through a closed and locked front door have their priorities confused.

    People who spout off about how "they'll kill anyone who dares step foot on their property" not only have their priorities confused, but cause more harm than good when it comes to gun control.

    If you want people to back off regarding gun control, perhaps you should stop acting like you have a license to kill anyone, for any reason, regardless of circumstance.
    Who's going to protect my property if I don't? Or, are you suggesting that I'm supposed to just sit back and do nothing while some no-good sum-bitch robs me blind?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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