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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by goshin View Post
    it is already illegal to shoot someone just for being in your front yard!

    stop yelling at maggie for an different opinion than you!!!!
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    When stupid results in the deaths of innocent people who often opt to limit the freedoms of the peaceful majority. It's ridiculous to me that you consider these laws reasonable and are so willing to let others die to keep what you consider to be your rights, unrestricted. I am not talking about taking away anyone's guns but having laws in place that empower and enable people to kill innocent people so that you gun owners don't feel like their on a slippery slope to confiscation is ludicrous.

    1. Not about confiscation. It's about the right to self-defense.

    2. These laws do NOT empower people to kill innocents. Case in point: the guy has been charged and will be tried in court.

    3. Nothing in SYG or Castle Doctrine says you can shoot someone in your yard who is not acting as a reasonable threat. That's WHY the guy HAS been charged.


    No need to restrict the peaceable majority... the law is already doing what it is supposed to do, which is determine the lawfulness or unlawfulness of actions taken and punish as necessary.


    What I don't want is to go back to the way it used to be in many states, where you practically needed a law library and two attorneys and twenty billable hours to tell you whether you were justified to shoot in a situation where you had maybe a second or two to decide or die.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Wrong, if someone has made the foolish decision to break into my garage to steal whatever and I catch him, he's toast and I'm NOT going to jail.

    Its not that difficult.
    All I can hope is that we'll never know, but I'm guessing that the only way for you to make sure of that would be to break even more laws and tamper with evidence.

    A jury may very well not agree with your position otherwise.

    If I was on the jury I wouldn't, unless the law specifically stated killing people for no particular reason other than losing a $100 lawnmower was just fine and dandy.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post

    stop yelling at maggie for an different opinion than you!!!!


    Madam, restrain yourself. I was correcting a completely false assertion in a way to make sure everyone saw the correction. I have already apologized to Maggie if it seemed that I was shouting... if you'd read a bit further you would have seen it.


    Different opinions do not upset me; false information does.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Better to die a victim of crime then be empowered with self defense. Got it.
    Just make sure you actually ARE a victim before you kill someone. Is that REALLY too much to ask?
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    People who think killing a person over a leaf blower have their priorities confused.
    People who think shooting someone through a closed and locked front door have their priorities confused.

    People who spout off about how "they'll kill anyone who dares step foot on their property" not only have their priorities confused, but cause more harm than good when it comes to gun control.

    If you want people to back off regarding gun control, perhaps you should stop acting like you have a license to kill anyone, for any reason, regardless of circumstance.

    The criminal made the decision to risk his life over a leaf blower.

    What you want is for the victim to know for a fact that that criminal is satisfied with just a leaf blower

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    The man is guilty of some level of homicide or manslaughter assuming the story is correct.

    The justice system is working. So far.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Thats not what you said earlier.

    You said he was guilty.
    Reading comprehension. It's good for the soul.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Just make sure you actually ARE a victim before you kill someone. Is that REALLY too much to ask?


    Ok, please give us your " am I a victim ? " check list that every person who's currently in the process of having their home broken into needs so they can determine whether or not they're justified in defending themselves.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The criminal made the decision to risk his life over a leaf blower.

    What you want is for the victim to know for a fact that that criminal is satisfied with just a leaf blower
    Just so we're all clear here.....how much is a human life worth?
    What's a reasonable value of something to kill somebody over?

    So a dude walking up to my house is "deemed by me" to be a threat. I kill him. Later I find out he's a Jehovah's Witness, unarmed, and was simply coming to talk about Jesus and the Bible.

    Guess I'm off the hook huh? How was I to know he only wanted to talk about Jesus. I thought he was a threat to my home, property, and safety.
    I sure as hell wasn't going to let him get right up to my front door. That's damn near suicide.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Reading comprehension. It's good for the soul.

    But her actions prior to being shot were in the story.

    You said if the stories correct he's guilty.

    Do YOU have reading comprehension issues ?

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