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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Bull****. If you're on my property, without my leave, you risk a high velocity chunk of lead penetrating vital organs at my discretion (and aim). You try to steal my property, you have said "My life is forfeit". You pound on my door in the middle of the night, and sound incoherent, don't follow directions? See point one. I'm not risking my life, property or family. This isn't the movies, happy endings aren't assured and there is no replacing a dead loved one because I worried about the other persons motives.

    You do stupid ****, you get removed, forcibly from the gene pool.
    And you'll go to jail for life for being an idiot.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Race IS a factor...for the folks that want this guy convicted of a crime.
    No it isn't.

    He shot a girl through his front door. (according to the story)

    He's guilty of a crime.

    Race is NOT an issue.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    No it isn't.

    He shot a girl through his front door. (according to the story)

    He's guilty of a crime.

    Race is NOT an issue.
    If it was a white girl, none of you would even care.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Someone invading my private property is worth killing someone over.

    This train of thought is why many people are very staunchly in favor of stricter gun control.

    You make it harder for yourself when you spout this kind of nonsense.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If it was a white girl, none of you would even care.
    Your ignorance is astounding.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Breaking into your shed is not threatening your life, or putting your life in danger.

    You'd be reasonably tried for some level of homicide or manslaughter.

    Your lawn mower isn't worth killing somebody over.
    I'm actually talking more about our discussions on this forum than actual laws. (I agree with you.)

    Case on point, Dragonfly:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Bull****. If you're on my property, without my leave, you risk a high velocity chunk of lead penetrating vital organs at my discretion (and aim). You try to steal my property, you have said "My life is forfeit". You pound on my door in the middle of the night, and sound incoherent, don't follow directions? See point one. I'm not risking my life, property or family. This isn't the movies, happy endings aren't assured and there is no replacing a dead loved one because I worried about the other persons motives.

    You do stupid ****, you get removed, forcibly from the gene pool.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    I'm not going to say this guy is guilty or not guilty. I do not have all available information, I do not have access to the evidence nor the resources necessary to assess that evidence as reliable or unreliable. All I have is what the news says... which is notoriously unreliable.

    Therefore I decline to say whether he is guilty of a crime.


    However, given that the circumstances do appear questionable, I am glad there will be a trial with all the evidence presented, so a jury can decide whether the total circumstances added up to the shoot being a reasonable and lawful action, or not.

    I will reserve final judgment on his guilt or innocence in the meantime.


    The point is that this one incident does NOT justify the attempts to water down self-defense laws; any more than one incident of someone racing a Maserati down the highway at 140mph justifies banning all sports cars, or requiring anyone owning a car capable of breaking the speed limit to have a governor installed, or any such similar nonsense.

    This is even more important, though, since driving is merely about transportation; self-defense is about preserving innocent life.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    From the NY Times:

    The legal issues in the case are complex. In Michigan, a self-defense law allows deadly force only if a person “honestly and reasonably believes” that it is necessary to prevent an imminent death or great bodily harm. Under Michigan’s so-called castle doctrine, there is no legal requirement for a person to retreat if inside his or her own home.

    ...For months, much had been unknown about the events that unfolded in the hours before Ms. McBride’s death, and prosecutors indicated on Wednesday that the authorities may never know exactly where Ms. McBride was and what she was doing immediately before her death.

    In the early morning hours, Ms. McBride, who had been drinking vodka and smoking pot with a friend, was in a car accident on a street within Detroit’s city limits. She had hit a parked car and an autopsy later showed she had a blood alcohol level of more than twice the legal limit. Neighbors along the street testified that they offered assistance to the young woman, who appeared to be injured and seemed disoriented, but Ms. McBride had refused help and wandered away.

    Several hours later – and six blocks from the crash site — Ms. McBride appeared on Mr. Wafer’s front porch. Her family has suggested that she may have come to the door seeking help. But Mr. Wafer’s lawyers said she pounded repeatedly on the doors, broke part of a screen and a peephole and may have left a muddy footprint on Mr. Wafer’s air conditioning unit, which might, the lawyers said, have given Ms. McBride a view inside a room where Mr. Wafer had been sleeping. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/us...orch.html?_r=0

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    It's not ridiculous at all. It's common sense. Your life is not threatened until your life is threatened. Plain and simple.
    Who the hell are you to define what constitutes a justifiable threat on someone elses property ?

    Instead of restricting the actions of the victims, criminals shuld understand that its highly likely that their actions might cost them their life.

    If they die over a lawn mower it was because of their foolosh choice to weigh their existence against the cost of a used lawn mower.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    But Mr. Wafer’s lawyers said she pounded repeatedly on the doors, broke part of a screen and a peephole

    I hadn't heard this before. This is substantially more than merely "being in the yard at night". The bolded portion might well have been evidence of attempted breaking and entering.

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