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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

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    Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week | ThinkProgress

    Remember this story? From the article

    ..... latest trial to test the role of expansive self-defense laws in racially charged deaths by gunfire.

    In statements to the press, he called the shooting “justified” and “reasonable,” invoking language from Michigan’s “Shoot First” laws that allow immunity for some self-defense shootings.

    ....in announcing she would charge Wafer with second-degree murder, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said her office determined that Wafer “did not act in lawful self-defense.”

    Wafer’s lawyer Cheryl Carpenter argued in opening statements Wednesday morning that Wafer shot McBride out of fear. To bolster that argument with legal support, she will have two options under Michigan’s expanded self-defense laws that grew out of NRA lobbying. In addition to passing a “Stand Your Ground” law in 2006 that expands the sanctioned use of deadly force outside the home, Michigan also expanded the so-called “Castle Doctrine,” which allows deadly force to protect one’s dwelling, to include areas around the home such as a yard or porch.

    For Wafer to successfully invoke the “Castle Doctrine,” he would have to show that McBride was “in the process of breaking and entering a dwelling.” Prosecutors said there no evidence of forced entry. And the autopsy report shows McBride was not shot at close range.

    Wafer could also use the state’s Stand Your Ground law to show that he reasonably believed force was necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.


    I think these laws are dangerous and empower people to act on irrational fears. Irrational fears that seem to consistently provoke them to shoot black people. IMHO, unless they consider that sector of our population dispensable these laws need to be changed in consideration of these real world outcomes.
    Better to die a victim of crime then be empowered with self defense. Got it.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The attempts to turn a self-defense law into some kind of racist issue is ludicrous and disingenuous.


    In relation to this case? No it's not.
    Wafer is white and the murder victim was black.
    To pretend that this could not be a factor in this case would be truly disingenuous.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I agree with you. It's time some of these broaded castle laws were clarified and narrowed. It should be illegal to shoot someone just for being in one's front yard; or stealing one's car; we should have (and do have) the absolute right to shoot someone if we are physically threatened, but shooting a person requires answering for shooting a person.

    Just because you're standing on my porch yelling at me doesn't give you the right to shoot me dead because, "I was afraid she was going to force her way into my home." Shut and Lock The Damned Door.

    Years ago, I asked a cop if I could shoot someone on my front porch if he scared me. The cop answered something like, "Well, yeah. But you'd better drag him part-way in the house."

    Fingerprints on the door handle, broken glass, more than one person, all of that would enter in . . . but showing up at one's front door with a gun in one's hand shows a certain premeditation that makes me nervous. And if you had time to run and get it? You had time to Shut and Lock The Damned Door.
    Bull****. If you're on my property, without my leave, you risk a high velocity chunk of lead penetrating vital organs at my discretion (and aim). You try to steal my property, you have said "My life is forfeit". You pound on my door in the middle of the night, and sound incoherent, don't follow directions? See point one. I'm not risking my life, property or family. This isn't the movies, happy endings aren't assured and there is no replacing a dead loved one because I worried about the other persons motives.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    In relation to this case? No it's not.
    Wafer is white and the murder victim was black.
    To pretend that this could not be a factor in this case would be truly disingenuous.

    To pretend that Castle Doctrine and SYG are racist is nonsense. It is about self-defense, regardless of the race of the shooter or shoot-ee.


    And in this particular case, unless you have evidence that the shooter shot BECAUSE the shoot-ee was black, the race card is not relevant.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Breaking into your shed is not threatening your life, or putting your life in danger.

    You'd be reasonably tried for some level of homicide or manslaughter.

    Your lawn mower isn't worth killing somebody over.
    Thats ridiculous.

    The homeowner is supposed to know the future intentions of the criminal ?

    So the benefit of the doubt should be given to the guy who's just been caught destroying your personal property and rummaging through your personal belongings ?

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    Maybe I misunderstand something. I recall that tragic story.

    Definitive Self Defense Laws have nothing to do with the color of skin... hmmm, I guess your final statement is puzzling to me.



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    That's because this thread has nothing to do with the law; it's about skin color. If this were a white kid, this thread wouldn't exist.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    In relation to this case? No it's not.
    Wafer is white and the murder victim was black.
    To pretend that this could not be a factor in this case would be truly disingenuous.
    To PRETEND that race IS a factor is just projection.

    I told you you had a fetish about race.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Breaking into your shed is not threatening your life, or putting your life in danger.

    You'd be reasonably tried for some level of homicide or manslaughter.

    Your lawn mower isn't worth killing somebody over.
    Someone invading my private property is worth killing someone over.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Thats ridiculous.

    The homeowner is supposed to know the future intentions of the criminal ?

    So the benefit of the doubt should be given to the guy who's just been caught destroying your personal property and rummaging through your personal belongings ?
    It's not ridiculous at all. It's common sense. Your life is not threatened until your life is threatened. Plain and simple.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    To PRETEND that race IS a factor is just projection.

    I told you you had a fetish about race.
    Race IS a factor...for the folks that want this guy convicted of a crime.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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