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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    In relation to this case? No it's not.
    Wafer is white and the murder victim was black.
    To pretend that this could not be a factor in this case would be truly disingenuous.
    Well if that is the case in your mind, then you seem to have missed the other racial aspect of this case.
    It is a black prosecutor choosing to overcharge a white man for his firearm accidentally discharging on a black women who had been acting in a threatening manner.


    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    If the Avon lady got a little too aggressive with the door knocker ...one need only feel she wanted to damage the house...Then it's open fire, I feel threatened. Under the wording of these laws he burden of proof is only on the feeling and not to a real threat.
    More irrational hyperbole.


    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    So now door knocking is a capital offense?
    BTW McBride was shot in the face.
    Door knocking is willful misstatement of the evidence.
    She was pounding and causing such a racket that it woke him and sounded to him as if someone was trying to break in.

    And she was not "shot" as in a deliberate action. The claim is that the gun accidentally discharged.


    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Wafer did not have the good sense to do that.
    He turned off the lights and the TV so he could not be seen and fired his shotgun at head level through his locked door because he "felt" threatened, as per the law. He felt not only that he should react like that but he felt that he could under the law.
    Had he reacted like your silly illustration he would quickly have found out the young woman was in trouble and indeed did need help. He would not be on trial for manslaughter and McBride would be alive.
    You clearly know not of what you speak.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    It's not ridiculous at all. It's common sense. Your life is not threatened until your life is threatened. Plain and simple.
    Wrong.
    Your life is threatened as soon as they break the law by attempting/or entering, as you have no idea why they are there. Nor should you ever have to wait to find out just how threatening.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    He shot a girl through his front door. (according to the story)

    He's guilty of a crime.
    Not according to the story, or the rest of the evidence.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    If she's pleading for help due to being in an auto accident she very well might be knocking on the door rather heavily.
    1..) There is not evidence that she was pleading for help, let alone simply asking.
    2.) "Knocking on the door rather heavily"? She was pounding on his door, to the extent that it woke him and sounded to him as if someone was trying breaking in.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    It is a great thing this case is going to trial and it proves our laws, in this case, are working rather well.
    No it is not. Under such circumstances, where it is clear that there was no unlawful intent on part of the gun owner and no willful negligence, it should never be put before the whims of a jury.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Just so we're all clear here.....how much is a human life worth?
    What's a reasonable value of something to kill somebody over?
    Why don't you read the applicable laws and then you will know.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So a dude walking up to my house is "deemed by me" to be a threat. I kill him. Later I find out he's a Jehovah's Witness, unarmed, and was simply coming to talk about Jesus and the Bible.

    Guess I'm off the hook huh? How was I to know he only wanted to talk about Jesus. I thought he was a threat to my home, property, and safety.
    I sure as hell wasn't going to let him get right up to my front door. That's damn near suicide.
    That is nothing more than irrational hyperbole.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    And the initial claim was that the firearm accidentally discharged. Which would make it manslaughter.
    That's all he has been charged with.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Dude! What took you so long?!
    Uh I was busy all day.



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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And the initial claim was that the firearm accidentally discharged. Which would make it manslaughter.
    That's all he has been charged with.
    Like I previously said; You known not of what you speak.


    From the OP's article.
    But in announcing she would charge Wafer with second-degree murder, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said her office determined that Wafer “did not act in lawful self-defense.”

    Second-degree murder is not the same as manslaughter.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That isn't what happened here, is it?
    I don't know. You??

    1. WTF? Premeditation? Sure, to defend oneself. It also seems like it would say to the other person; "Behave yourself lest the individual mistake your actions for that of a crook".
    2. As people have the right to self defense, no one should be forced or required to "Shut and Lock The Damned Door.", ever.
    We disagree.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't know. You??
    Why yes, I do know from the reported evidence. Why don't you?




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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The attempts to turn a self-defense law into some kind of racist issue is ludicrous and disingenuous.



    I assure you, anyone who threatens me will receive my due attention with complete disregard for race, creed, gender, color or nationality. My only concerns at that point will be sight picture and trigger squeeze.
    For some people, it's as natural as breathing. The sad thing is that, from what I've read, this does not appear, to me, to be a justified shooting so I'd likely agree with many of the condemnations of this man, but, instead, we have to spend our time debunking ridiculous rabbit trail arguments.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    So now door knocking is a capital offense?
    BTW McBride was shot in the face.
    Did I SAY knocking on my door was a capital offense, if you refuse to be honest why bother posting?
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Well if that is the case in your mind, then you seem to have missed the other racial aspect of this case.
    It is a black prosecutor choosing to overcharge a white man for his firearm accidentally discharging on a black women who had been acting in a threatening manner.


    More irrational hyperbole.


    Door knocking is willful misstatement of the evidence.
    She was pounding and causing such a racket that it woke him and sounded to him as if someone was trying to break in.

    And she was not "shot" as in a deliberate action. The claim is that the gun accidentally discharged.


    You clearly know not of what you speak.
    As long as it is a white guy shooting anyone black and un-armed, it is OK with you eh excon?
    You are un****ingbelievable.
    Last edited by Buck Ewer; 07-23-14 at 11:21 PM.

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