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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Hello, life ain't perfect. Pounding at someones door in the middle of the night in a crazed state isn't bright and you have to take into account that reality not just "Well it turns out afterwards she was not a threat!!"

    Don't give a ****, you pound on my door, and I repeatedly tell you to calm down and you pound more I'm gonna shoot your ass.
    So now door knocking is a capital offense?
    BTW McBride was shot in the face.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    So all you feel you need is a "hunch" that the thief of your lawn equipment may want to hurt someone in your family and that is all the license you need to blow him away?
    What if your "hunch" is wrong and you just killed your brother-in-law who came over to borrow the thing because his is broken and wife forgot to tell you?
    Do you get off free because you had a hunch and a feeling of a threat and you chose to shoot first and ask questions later?

    Actually, a " hunch " is all I need if the perpetrator is currently in my home or my garage stealing my possessions.

    Remember, he's a criminal, and just because I asked him nicely not hurt me or my family and to please just take my leaf blower doesn't mean he's not going to do just that because remember, HE'S A CRIMINAL.

    In fact, confronting a theif empty handed with your hand in hat begging him not to do worse than rip you off is a full on invitation for him to not stop at your lawn equipment.

    Youve just advertized that your'e absolutley helpless and vulnerable.

    Why is the onus on me, the homeowner who's responsible for the safety of my me and my family to be so trusting of a total stranger who doesn't even have the decency to respect my private property rights ?

    As for identification ? I can make the distinction between stranger or acquaintance in under a second and spend the next few seconds either unloading a clip from a Glock 19 into him if he's a scum thief or telling him how friken stupid it is to rummage through my Garage without first checking with me if he's my brother in law.

    Plus, home owners are usually fullly aware of who has legal access to their homes.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    What kind of world are you endorsing here. One where a person can't approach a strangers house without fear of being shot dead?! Really? It's an absurd overreach.

    The problem is the way some of these laws are written and promoting the idea that they be cleaned up so that we don't just create a whole new group of victims is not the same as opposing the concept of people having the right to protect themselves against an "actual" threat
    I'm endorsing a just world.

    simply approaching a strangers house is fine... it's not an action that can justifiably get you shot.

    no, we haven't created a new class of victim.... folks have always been wrongfully killed, and folks have always been killed in self defense.

    SYG laws have a simple effect... they did away with the duty to run away when threatened outside your home.. ( yes, you had a legal duty to run the **** away in many states... how insane is that?)
    castle doctrine did away with the legal duty to run away while inside your home.

    that's it in a nutshell.


    will people kill other people wrongfully?.. oh hell yeah... no law will change that.
    but now you at least have an option of defending yourself or your family without having the retarded legal duty to run away.

    but again, you don't have a duty to defend yourself... anyone is free to run away, or lay down and die.
    you have more choices legally available to you now.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    This is more how it should go....


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    Wafer did not have the good sense to do that.
    He turned off the lights and the TV so he could not be seen and fired his shotgun at head level through his locked door because he "felt" threatened, as per the law. He felt not only that he should react like that but he felt that he could under the law.
    Had he reacted like your silly illustration he would quickly have found out the young woman was in trouble and indeed did need help. He would not be on trial for manslaughter and McBride would be alive.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    So now door knocking is a capital offense?
    BTW McBride was shot in the face.
    Here, I went out of my way to find this video for you. Watch it and give me your honest opinion. Was the Homeowner justified in doing what he did which was basically firing on intruders through a window ?

    If not, when should he have opened fire ?

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Wafer did not have the good sense to do that.
    He turned off the lights and the TV so he could not be seen and fired his shotgun at head level through his locked door because he "felt" threatened, as per the law. He felt not only that he should react like that but he felt that he could under the law.
    Had he reacted like your silly illustration he would quickly have found out the young woman was in trouble and indeed did need help. He would not be on trial for manslaughter and McBride would be alive.


    And you'll find I've never argued otherwise. It would have been far more prudent to have adopted a less aggressive course of action, based on such information as is available.


    And regardless of his belief that he could do so under the law, he's been charged and there is going to be a trial... so the system is working as it should, and all the assertions that it isn't are spurious.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    What? You think I should respond to someone stealing stuff out of my shed with... what? Fresh-baked cookies?
    Perhaps I could offer them cake.
    I think a lot of options lie between shooting them baking for them.
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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I think a lot of options lie between shooting them baking for them.


    Yup. Never said otherwise.


    But if I end up having to confront thieves, rest assured I will be armed and primed to shoot if need be.... because stealing is not an indication of character which makes me feel that they will respect my right to life and the integrity of my person.

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Actually, a " hunch " is all I need if the perpetrator is currently in my home or my garage stealing my possessions.

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    Murder by hunch... congratulations you have defined yourself as dangerously reckless... looking for an excuse to murder someone with immunity.
    What would be wrong with reacting like Goshin's illustration?
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    Not reckless enough?
    Not tough enough?
    Not murderous enough?
    Not cowardly enough?

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    Re: Homeowner Who Shot Dead A Teen Girl On His Porch Faces Murder Charges This Week

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Here, I went out of my way to find this video for you. Watch it and give me your honest opinion. Was the Homeowner justified in doing what he did which was basically firing on intruders through a window ?

    If not, when should he have opened fire ?

    The warning shot in the video was warranted and effective.
    No one was killed.
    You have been arguing that a couple of rounds between the eyes would be the only solution because the laws says you can.
    That is the solution of a psychopath.

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