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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Um, dude.... that is based on observing only ONE intelligent species, and any generalizations based on a sample of ONE are very suspect. Indeed, to assume respect for rights increases with time you have to focus mainly on the West and ignore about half the world.


    Aliens, on the other hand, could be very different from us; so different we may not be able to imagine or comprehend how much so. They might be extremely cooperative and respectful of each other within their own species.... and at the same time have decided it is in their best interest to exterminate all sapients not of their kind. We have no way of knowing.
    Like ants. Just one alien race like ants and bam, his alien-brotherly-love theory is toast.

    edit: oh, you addressed this already.

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    A vastly more advanced civilization will be less socially developed than we are. We're all gonna die!
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    You know what? Maybe you're right. Maybe they would be more advanced and would recognize us not just as some crude source of nutrition but as a sentient species in our own right. In that case, their name for us wouldn't be "Shell-less Meat Sponge," but something more dignified. Something like "The Prior Inhabitants of Our New Blue Green Planet."
    Oh, sure. They'll be more "advanced," alright.

    They might even be so "advanced," in point of fact, as to kill us all using a nice sterile asteroid, or relativistic kill vehicle launched from a half billion miles away or more, in order to spare themselves the trouble of having to do it up close and personal.

    You know... So they don't have soil their precious tentacles or other assorted appendages with the filth of our primitive world, or make any of the various gas bladders and digestive pouches which characterize their anatomy "queasy" with the sight of our sundry bodily fluids drenching the ground.

    Hell! If they're really "advanced," they might've even gone so far as to set some nice, self-replicating artificially intelligent kill drones loose upon the galaxy eons ago to do all of the "dirty work" of wiping out competing civilizations for them. That way, they can still lie to themselves about how "enlightened" and "advanced" they are while simultaneously being able to live under the blanket of protection wanton cruelty and destruction so often provides.

    Ain't civilization fun?
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Hardly random. A subject I've been contemplating and intermittently studying for about forty years.


    My point is that assuming the aliens would have a societal development that looks like human Western civilization is as big of an assumption, as assuming they'd literally LOOK like humans.
    Hell! Not even all human civilizations have followed the same path that the Western World has. Frankly, there is good reason to suspect that the Western world view and way of life might very well be an unsustainable "passing fad" which isn't here to stay in the long run anyway.

    Eco's certainty is likely misplaced, methinks.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Like ants. Just one alien race like ants and bam, his alien-brotherly-love theory is toast.

    edit: oh, you addressed this already.
    Yeah, intelligent ants... because that makes sense.

    I figure aliens will be subject to the same laws of physics that we are, and ant brains ain't gonna cut it for evolution to intelligence.

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yeah, intelligent ants... because that makes sense.

    I figure aliens will be subject to the same laws of physics that we are, and ant brains ain't gonna cut it for evolution to intelligence.
    Okay. Ant brains can't develop intelligence because of physics. And we should embrace aliens.

    [backs slowly away]

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Okay. Ant brains can't develop intelligence because of physics. And that's why we should embrace aliens.

    [backs slowly away]
    What? I'm just saying that claiming intelligent ant aliens is ignorant crap. It's ignorant of biology and physics, which I presume aliens will be subject to as well.

    You spewing nonsense has nothing to do with why we should not fear aliens. I've already explained why we need not fear aliens.

    I suppose everyone that supports sending out signals and such is just stupid and hasn't considered your fantasy. Or... maybe... it's pretty ****ing obvious from our own development that we are sure to be less civilized than a civilization vastly more advanced.

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yeah, intelligent ants... because that makes sense.

    I figure aliens will be subject to the same laws of physics that we are, and ant brains ain't gonna cut it for evolution to intelligence.
    Okay, so scale them up a couple of million times, but keep the same social dynamic.

    What's the difference? His point still stands.

    Frankly, that's not accounting for more "exotic" possibilities either. We could easily redesign human beings to live and think more like ants, given the proper knowledge of genetic engineering, and the right collectivist ideology behind it.

    There's no reason to think that "individualism" will always necessarily be held to be sacrosanct, after all.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Okay, so scale them up a couple of million times, but keep the same social dynamic.

    What's the difference? His point still stands.
    No, it doesn't. Ant brains are not suited for evolution to an intelligent species (not via biology or physics), it doesn't matter how big they are!

    Frankly, that's not accounting for more "exotic" possibilities either. We could easily redesign human beings to live and think more like ants, given the proper knowledge of genetic engineering, and the right collectivist ideology behind it.
    I'd suggest more time studying science and less time watching HBO.

    There's no reason why "individualism" should be held to necessarily be sacrosanct, after all.
    Individualism is not necessary in order for a society to socially develop, nor for a society to value other life.


    Given the choice between science and fantasy, it's amazing how many choose fantasy while discarding all known evidence, logic and reason. This is like discussing natural science at a NASCAR race.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, it doesn't. Ant brains are not suited for evolution to an intelligent species (not via biology or physics),
    So prove it then.

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    So prove it then.
    I'm supposed to explain to you basic biology and physics? Do you have any concept of evolution, or are you a creationist/IDer?

    What you fail to see is that you understanding science does not matter to me. Your ability to grasp concepts is not material to the debate, for those of us with sufficient education in natural science to see your ignorance.

    If you want basic science lessons, go to a community college.

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