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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    But that's what I'm trying to say, FTL is theoretical, WE DO NOT KNOW IF IT IS POSSIBLE. It may be physically impossible to move past FTL speeds outside of maybe Tachyons.

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    Not the best source but read the final sentence in the first part of that wiki page.

    That last sentence summarizes everything I have ever said on this thread regarding FTL. FTL itself is questionable and the possible ways of achieving it are no less questionable. FTL travel of any kind is absolutely positively not yet confirmed possible.
    But it will be.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    I think it's funny to see people who think we should keep looking for aliens mocking someone else for having a silly belief.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I think it's funny to see people who think we should keep looking for aliens mocking someone else for having a silly belief.
    Difference, aliens are 100000X more likely than most things. Look at size of universe, unless you're stupid enough to think Earth = universe
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    If aliens did land on Earth without passports, would we deport them?
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Difference, aliens are 100000X more likely than most things. Look at size of universe, unless you're stupid enough to think Earth = universe
    Wow. That was a ridiculous statement. Aliens are 1000000x more likely then "most things".

    Let me clue you in on something. The possibility that there is life somewhere else in the universe is probably quite good. But the possibility of that life being close enough to visit the Earth is real close to zero regardless of the technology involved.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If aliens did land on Earth without passports, would we deport them?
    No. Not unless they landed in the United States. Anywhere else wouldn't be our business. But if they're here, we have to figure out a way to send them back. That could be a challenge but...... it's the right thing to do. Just sayin'.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Wow. That was a ridiculous statement. Aliens are 1000000x more likely then "most things".

    Let me clue you in on something. The possibility that there is life somewhere else in the universe is probably quite good. But the possibility of that life being close enough to visit the Earth is real close to zero regardless of the technology involved.
    Told everyone, the possibility of any contact lies with the plausibility of FTL travel.

    If there was a way to travel FTL you'd be surprised how easy it would be to contact anything if there's other aliens (most likely) in our galaxy.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Told everyone, the possibility of any contact lies with the plausibility of FTL travel.

    If there was a way to travel FTL you'd be surprised how easy it would be to contact anything if there's other aliens (most likely) in our galaxy.
    Here's the rub. Not only would something have to travel faster than light, but it would have to travel MANY TIMES faster than light to traverse the universe. It would require incomprehensible amounts of energy. We would be better off spending our time looking for bigfoot than alien visitors from other planets. I don't believe bigfoot exists, either, but at least bigfoot is feasible.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Here's the rub. Not only would something have to travel faster than light, but it would have to travel MANY TIMES faster than light to traverse the universe. It would require incomprehensible amounts of energy. We would be better off spending our time looking for bigfoot than alien visitors from other planets. I don't believe bigfoot exists, either, but at least bigfoot is feasible.
    No need to traverse the deep deep space in our whole universe, just the galaxy alone will do.

    According to special relativity something needs infinite energy to travel at light speed, if there's a way to surpass light speed then you can probably EASILY go as many times faster than light as you want, it's just a matter of time and technological advance at that point, the whole question is whether FTL is plausible, what don't you understand?
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    No need to traverse the deep deep space in our whole universe, just the galaxy alone will do.

    According to special relativity something needs infinite energy to travel at light speed, if there's a way to surpass light speed then you can probably EASILY go as many times faster than light as you want, it's just a matter of time and technological advance at that point, the whole question is whether FTL is plausible, what don't you understand?
    The question of whether FTL is plausible pretty much sorts out the rest. Nothing in the universe has ever been known to exceed the speed of light, so asserting that finding alien life is 100000X more likely than many things is pretty absurd for several reasons, not the least of which is the implausibility of travel many times faster than the speed of light and the ability to generate the infinite energy required to do it.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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