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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

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    In one or two easily digestible sentences, please explain why you believe reaching out to aliens is rational, and not likely to result in our destruction.
    The biggest variable is technological disparity, we put things on voyager I (or II correct me if I'm wrong) that had coordinates back to Earth should "aliens" discover it, for all we know the aliens may also have a voyager I and be no more technologically advanced than we are.

    Plus if we prove the existence of ET intelligent life it would have a positive outcome. If the world thinks they are hostile? I guarantee you, there will be no countries, there will only be humanity. If they are friendly? Looks like the future is going to be very bright with economic prosperity and scientific discovery and culture exchange and more.

    That's why it is rational to reach out in my opinion. Humanity works better together, not divided.

    And if the aliens were advanced enough to just wipe us out without a care, you really think they wouldn't have known us by now?

    There is absolutely positively nothing we can lose by reaching out to aliens, but there is everything to gain.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    I'd like to think I'm not cynical enough to think a civilization advanced enough to get here (since we're obviously nowhere close to going there) would come here simply to be hellbent on our destruction.

    Now, I understand that the European powers basically treated the Americas as their prison bitch for several centuries, but the leap of technology (and, what I would hope, would be a similar leap in enlightenment) it took to get from Europe to the Americas (again) pales in comparison to the same type of leap to get to Earth from, say, Proxima Centauri. But it's the only frame of reference we have.

    Maybe it's the eternal optimist in me, but I see first alien contact to be more Vulcan and less Klingon. And I do think it will happen within the next 50 years. I hope I'm still here to see it.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Funny thing is that it is quite possible that all life on earth is alien life. There are several theories out there that believe it is possible life was sparked by an asteroid hitting the earth..
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Please don't speak out of your

    Outside of video games and movies we aren't even sure if FTL is POSSIBLE. It's not a matter of discovering FTL travel it's a matter of even proving it's existence or lack thereof.
    Yeah, pull your pants up young man. The same was thought of electricity, round earths, and all manor of other yet to be discovered phenomena.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Interesting thing is that even if the probability of life existing is 1 in a billion, that means life does exist somewhere else. There are more than a billion objects in our own small solar system. When you start counting how many stars there are in the universe you will find that number to be much more than a billion. Then consider all the planets circling those stars and you will determine that life MUST exist somewhere else. The other interesting idea is that the universe is nearly 14 billion years old. So not only do you have to think about the life that may exist now, but life that may have existed in other places of the universe and died out before there was even a single celled organism on earth. Humans with significant intelligence to even think about looking for life elsewhere have only existed for the last 200-300 years. Prior to that, we had very little notion of anything outside of earth. We just happen to be at a stage of life on earth where it is possible for us to look out at the universe in search of life. There may be other planets in the universe that have life, but the life that exists may only be in its infancy. Or, perhaps life as intelligent and complex as life on earth exists elsewhere but it is to far away for us to detect it, and we are to far away for it to detect us. If you just think about how far away potential life may be, it could be thousands or millions of light years away making it nearly impossible for meaningful contact to be made. We could send them a message and it could take them thousands of years to recieve it, at which time they may be, or we may no longer exist. So to find life elsewhere that is sufficiently able to communicate with us, even as probably it is that it exists, is very improbable due to the constraints the laws of physics put on us.

    But that does not mean we should stop looking .
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, pull your pants up young man. The same was thought of electricity, round earths, and all manor of other yet to be discovered phenomena.
    In one ear, right out the other, until FTL is proven possible I can hardly give a **** if you think it does exist and just has to be discovered. That kind of thinking (like scholasticism) died out a loooong time ago.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    In one ear, right out the other, until FTL is proven possible I can hardly give a **** if you think it does exist and just has to be discovered. That kind of thinking (like scholasticism) died out a loooong time ago.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    In one ear, right out the other, until FTL is proven possible I can hardly give a **** if you think it does exist and just has to be discovered. That kind of thinking (like scholasticism) died out a loooong time ago.



    There is already a theoretical basis for "FTL". Alcubierre drive.


    Granted, we're no where near building one... but most of my life FTL wasn't even a theory, it was considered impossible. Now, not so much. I consider that promising.

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There is already a theoretical basis for "FTL". Alcubierre drive.


    Granted, we're no where near building one... but most of my life FTL wasn't even a theory, it was considered impossible. Now, not so much. I consider that promising.
    But that's what I'm trying to say, FTL is theoretical, WE DO NOT KNOW IF IT IS POSSIBLE. It may be physically impossible to move past FTL speeds outside of maybe Tachyons.

    Faster-than-light - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Not the best source but read the final sentence in the first part of that wiki page.

    That last sentence summarizes everything I have ever said on this thread regarding FTL. FTL itself is questionable and the possible ways of achieving it are no less questionable. FTL travel of any kind is absolutely positively not yet confirmed possible.
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