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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The advanced status was only technological, and it was not benevolent at all.
    In one or two easily digestible sentences, please explain why you believe reaching out to aliens is rational, and not likely to result in our destruction.

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The advanced status was only technological, and it was not benevolent at all.

    Which is exactly my point.

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    In one or two easily digestible sentences, please explain why you believe reaching out to aliens is rational, and not likely to result in our destruction.
    I hold the same reasons as those that make the decisions. We see clearly with time comes social development. Thus, the chance of a vastly more developed alien race being evil is almost nil. Given the insignificant chance of evil aliens, it makes sense to attempt contact. After all, they would manage contact with or without us eventually, so there's really nothing to lose.

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Which is exactly my point.
    No, it's my point. The difference between the levels of advancement between the colonialists and Africans was nothing compared to the difference required for interstellar travel. Further, that slight difference was merely technological. It also supports my point because we see, today, that Western society has advanced well beyond our national ethics just 200 years ago. In the time it will take to develop interstellar travel, our policies will be nothing like what they were during colonialism.

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    1. I never said ants. I said insect-LIKE. Meaning highly cooperative among their own kind, but possibly having little or no empathy for those not of their kind.
    No one said you stated "ants". They were given as an example as to why a hive species wouldn't be suitable for any realistic form of space travel.

    It doesn't seem likely that a civilization with a "hive mind" would engage in interstellar traveling. A civilization with hive mentalities would most likely stall at a Type I civilization (which is not enough for interstellar travel). Why do I think this? ... let's take some examples on our own planet:
    2. I am familiar with these arguments, but they are based on assumptions about things we know nothing of and can merely speculate upon. Also, the parameters for interstellar travel are not necessarily fixed by low-end assumptions such as taking 10,000 years for the journey.
    I'm going to get back to this in a few lines.

    .. if that is the case we will probably never meet any aliens at all.
    That's the thing about the size of the universe, we're more than likely to never meet any interstellar travelers because the factors involved in doing so make the possibility as astronomical as the possibility for the existence for life itself.

    However recent recalculations regarding the Alcubierre Drive indicate that 'FTL' may not be science fiction, but a real possibility.... just to name one factor that could change a lot of the assumptions commonly made.
    I wanted to get back to this:

    It doesn't seem likely that a civilization with a "hive mind" would engage in interstellar traveling. A civilization with hive mentalities would most likely stall at a Type I civilization (which is not enough for interstellar travel). Why do I think this?
    You're assuming that a hive species would be developed to the point where this "possibility" has been true and tested to the point where it is used for a full scale invasion. Even our own scientists admit that testing for such a thing is centuries away. Now, imagine a hive species (with all we know about them) being developed to the point where it has scientists researching such a method, it has already tested it and is confident enough to use it to attack other planets. On a basis is contrary to all that we know about hive species, development of mathematics and pretty much all evidence about the development of intelligence. I know biology and evolution are tough topics for the religious, but try and use them when debating subjects such as this. We're not going to find an alien species a-la Space Invaders hellbent on conquering us.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Bahahahahahahaha... He's a ****ing alien calvanist? As in, he honestly believes that an omnipotent, "merciful" god, created a universe with other life then doomed all of them to eternal hellfire because someone on another planet ate an apple.

    What kind of a sick, hateful person do you have to be to believe something like that?
    The guy in the article?
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    One thing to note for these kinds of threads in the future, things like FTL travel are only theoretical at best, we're not sure if that is even physically possible, should it not be possible then this is all a waste of time because going from system to system can take dozens of years and should other species be on other galaxies it would take millions to maybe even billions upon billions of years to reach another galaxy.
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    One thing to note for these kinds of threads in the future, things like FTL travel are only theoretical at best, we're not sure if that is even physically possible, should it not be possible then this is all a waste of time because going from system to system can take dozens of years and should other species be on other galaxies it would take millions to maybe even billions upon billions of years to reach another galaxy.
    FTL does exist, humans just haven't discovered it yet. Like so many other things that didn't exist........................until they did!
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    FTL does exist, humans just haven't discovered it yet. Like so many other things that didn't exist........................until they did!
    Please don't speak out of your

    Outside of video games and movies we aren't even sure if FTL is POSSIBLE. It's not a matter of discovering FTL travel it's a matter of even proving it's existence or lack thereof.
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