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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    How does he know whether aliens believe in God or not?
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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Cardinal is pretty sharp, he just finds the "killer aliens!!11!!" thing amusing. He's surely capable of understanding one position having all of the evidence, logic and reason, and the other being pure fantasy. And he understands the value of evidence (however incomplete) over pure speculation.

    Gath? *snicker*
    Alllllll the evidence? C'mon, Eco. It's all very well and good that we're gradually moving away from the "kill anything that walks after we've invaded their country" model that was all the rage before the 20th century*, but your position demands that highly advanced technology requires the sort of social and philosophical advancement you're talking about, and I've seen nothing to suggest that this requirement is even particularly necessary, considering a)We're the only example of it, b)we haven't really seen that social evolution through long enough to see if it even takes, and c)we've had 6000 years of technological advancement and barbarism has barely been neutralized in that time. Your assumption that aliens would follow any sort of similar path to our own and arrive at a more socially advanced level is nothing more than pure optimism.

    *No, I'm not saying that people don't still kill everything that walks after they've invaded a country, only that the kind of asshattery that allows history to remember them as conquering heroes has been replaced by a model that regards them as monsters and punishes them if possible.

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    You heard it here first, folks. Eco considers himself to be a "Realist."

    I'm honestly not sure if the irony scale goes high enough to even measure something like that.

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm not an optimist. I'm basing my assessment on reality, while you are basing your assessment on nothing. I'm a realist (making assessments based upon actual evidence) and you're just making up fantasy.

    All the evidence is on my side. Making up labels for me is not going to change that. Spew your fantasy all you want, but know that it's counter to all evidence.

    Pretending that your assessment is equal to mine is intellectually dishonest. Concede the debate, join us in reality. Give up the Chicken Little costume, enough scaring ignorant children.


    Lets take the last 114yrs to disprove your theory, do you want to do the body count or shall I??

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    Lets take the last 114yrs to disprove your theory, do you want to do the body count or shall I??
    Good plan. You do it. Let's see the difference between the way governments behaved before and after 114 years ago.

    And keep in mind, numbers are irrelevant, this is about motive.

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Good plan. You do it. Let's see the difference between the way governments behaved before and after 114 years ago.

    And keep in mind, numbers are irrelevant, this is about motive.
    All you need is the potential for atrocity, which all things on earth demonstrate to one degree or another. The potential alone is reason enough to exercise extreme caution when meeting (or outright hiding from) alien life instead of walking right up to them and saying "Hey guys! Whatcha doing?"

    Your position in this thread is squarely in vaccines-cause-autism territory.

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    All you need is the potential for atrocity,
    There's always a potential for anything. That doesn't change the fact that civilization recognizes rights more with time.

    Your position in this thread is squarely in vaccines-cause-autism territory.
    Nonsense.

    Your position in this thread is base purely on fantasy and ignores sociological considerations. You are discarding all available evidence, logic and reason, and substituting a Chicken Little costume.

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There's always a potential for anything. That doesn't change the fact that civilization recognizes rights more with time.
    Fantabulous. Assuming as a given that aliens will be benevolent is still stupid.

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There's always a potential for anything. That doesn't change the fact that civilization recognizes rights more with time.
    Wait, what? You just said there's a potential for anything. So is there a potential for aliens to come here with the exclusive purpose of eating us?

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    Re: Creationist Ken Ham Says Aliens Will Go To Hell So Let's Stop Looking For Them

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Wait, what? You just said there's a potential for anything. So is there a potential for aliens to come here with the exclusive purpose of eating us?
    Of course. There's a potential for anything. Do you honestly expect anyone to claim a speculation about aliens to be impossible?

    Do you believe in absolutes?

    Nonetheless, all evidence, logic and reason points to aliens also experiencing social development. To expect aliens to slaughter wantonly is nonsense, it's like worrying about being struck by lightning on a clear day. Yes, I know that happens, but that doesn't mean I go around telling everyone it will happen to them.

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