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House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

CanadaJohn said:
Yes, the labor participation rate is at a 35 year low, but the actual number (real number, not percentage) of Americans working is at an all time high, is it not? As a result, in real numbers, more Americans are working and paying taxes.
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No, it's not.
 
apdst said:
And the Leftists claim that the GOP doesn't do anything! They did something and I think it's great. I think this is what the folks who represent the people are supposed to do.
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Yes because THAT'S going to stop corruption. By gutting an organization that will just lay off the little people and not the cause of the corruption. :roll:
 
Beaudreaux said:
The different branches of the government use what power the Constitution gives them to use to exert influence (which what this is) and yes, even punish (which is not what this is). Some branches even exert power and influence that the Constitution does not give them, as the SCOTUS has pointed out thirteen times in 9-0 decisions that Obama has done. This power is not only in the Constitution, but it is a power given SOLELY to the US House of Representatives - Article 1, Section 7, Clause 1 - All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives. The power of the purse resides with the House.

Given that the IRS, the DOJ and the Obama Administration as a whole are doing everything they can do to hinder the Congressional investigations, the House of Representatives has no option but to exercise the power granted them under the Constitution.

Hence my comment - Not good to piss off the person with the checkbook.
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Which makes the whole seperation of powers thing purdy damn awesome.
 
apdst said:
Which makes the whole seperation of powers thing purdy damn awesome.
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Unitedwestand13 said:
i fail to see how gutting the budget of the governments tax collection agency is going to solve the countries money troubles
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Of course it won't.... it part the Con job to create smaller government by starvation: cut revenue, cry about deficits and create the atmosphere that people think the only solution is to cut expenses.

If you were really serious about budget deficits and did not want to raise taxes you would be certain to ensure everyone was at least paying the tax due: you would be expanding tax collection efforts; you would be expanding the IRS budget.
 
TheNextEra said:
Yes because THAT'S going to stop corruption. By gutting an organization that will just lay off the little people and not the cause of the corruption. :roll:
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So, you're ok with a massively corrupt government adminitration retaining it's tyrannical power?

How are you going to feel when an outlaw agent comes after your pocketbook? Then what? Gona complain to the government about it? Maybe you could write a letter to the prez; I'm sure he'll get on that mui pronto.
 
upsideguy said:
Of course it won't.... it part the Con job to create smaller government by starvation: cut revenue, cry about deficits and create the atmosphere that people think the only solution is to cut expenses.

If you were really serious about budget deficits and did not want to raise taxes you would be certain to ensure everyone was at least paying the tax due: you would be expanding tax collection efforts; you would be expanding the IRS budget.
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You don't close deficites by creating more income. You do it by spending money you have, not money you don't have.
 
You gut their budget, then stuff like this will continued unchecked.

 
Excon said:
You gut their budget, then stuff like this will continued unchecked.
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Round up the illegal aliens and boot them out of the country. Problem solved.

And defund the IRS in its entirety.


It is time for a fair tax or a flat tax.
 
Cutting IRS budget is just a green light to tax cheats. The shortage will be felt at the individual level when ordinary people that call can't get someone to answer the phone, the computers send out a notice that's wrong and they can't get it taken care of, or find out why it was sent, it takes 6 months to respond to a letter, etc. I deal with them all the time, and cutting their budget just creates a lot of dead weight as people spend hours dealing with an agency that's purposely underfunded and understaffed.

It's just a terrible idea from top to bottom, and worse than it being a bad idea, it wouldn't even begin to solve the supposed corruption problem. The people affected by the cuts won't be the people in IRS HQ in DC, but thousands of ordinary employees just doing a necessary and thankless job, and the millions of Americans dealing with IRS as part of life as a citizen.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
you just hate paying taxes.

besides corruptions needs to be eliminated by working within the system.
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You do realize the house, who holds the purse strings, cutting budget IS within the system.....yes?
 
I don't necessarily buy this will actually fight corruption, but those acting like there's no reasonable reasons someone could think it would is ridiculous and patently dishonest.

If you believe an organization is corrupt, then giving them less money to engage in corrupt activities would help fight the amount of corruption possible.

If you believe pressure is needed to be put on an agency to get them to correct their corruption than cutting money, as a stick, gives potential incentive to stop acting in the way that led to them wanting to cut it...and the potential to get the funding back in later years could act as a carrot for the same thing.

By reducing the amount of money an agency you believe is corrupt can spend then it's reasonable to suggest they will have to direct the remaining monies to some of the most essential functions which you may feel is less likely to be corrupted.

By reducing the amount of money an agency you believe is corrupt can spend you potentially create an environment where employees are less apt to act in a corrupt fashion as there will be a greater possibility of punishment for that corruption leading to pay grade decreases or terminations if caught as opposed to slap on the wrists, as it would provide cost saving.
 
Zyphlin said:
I don't necessarily buy this will actually fight corruption, but those acting like there's no reasonable reasons someone could think it would is ridiculous and patently dishonest.

If you believe an organization is corrupt, then giving them less money to engage in corrupt activities would help fight the amount of corruption possible.

If you believe pressure is needed to be put on an agency to get them to correct their corruption than cutting money, as a stick, gives potential incentive to stop acting in the way that led to them wanting to cut it...and the potential to get the funding back in later years could act as a carrot for the same thing.

By reducing the amount of money an agency you believe is corrupt can spend then it's reasonable to suggest they will have to direct the remaining monies to some of the most essential functions which you may feel is less likely to be corrupted.

By reducing the amount of money an agency you believe is corrupt can spend you potentially create an environment where employees are less apt to act in a corrupt fashion as there will be a greater possibility of punishment for that corruption leading to pay grade decreases or terminations if caught as opposed to slap on the wrists, as it would provide cost saving.
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It's like trade sanctions on the IRS. If they cooperate and stop stone walling FOIA requests then they get some more money.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
i fail to see how gutting the budget of the governments tax collection agency is going to solve the countries money troubles
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This isn't about money its about weakening the agency for waay over stepping their bounds. I wouldn't stop here either, we need to connect the dots and see just how high this goes.
 
Zyphlin said:
I don't necessarily buy this will actually fight corruption, but those acting like there's no reasonable reasons someone could think it would is ridiculous and patently dishonest.

If you believe an organization is corrupt, then giving them less money to engage in corrupt activities would help fight the amount of corruption possible.

If you believe pressure is needed to be put on an agency to get them to correct their corruption than cutting money, as a stick, gives potential incentive to stop acting in the way that led to them wanting to cut it...and the potential to get the funding back in later years could act as a carrot for the same thing.

By reducing the amount of money an agency you believe is corrupt can spend then it's reasonable to suggest they will have to direct the remaining monies to some of the most essential functions which you may feel is less likely to be corrupted.

By reducing the amount of money an agency you believe is corrupt can spend you potentially create an environment where employees are less apt to act in a corrupt fashion as there will be a greater possibility of punishment for that corruption leading to pay grade decreases or terminations if caught as opposed to slap on the wrists, as it would provide cost saving.
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A bad dog can't bite, if he doesn't have any teeth.
 
Gringo allstar said:
This isn't about money its about weakening the agency for waay over stepping their bounds. I wouldn't stop here either, we need to connect the dots and see just how high this goes.
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**** can some mid-level managers. Someone will start singing like a bird.
 
JasperL said:
Cutting IRS budget is just a green light to tax cheats. The shortage will be felt at the individual level when ordinary people that call can't get someone to answer the phone, the computers send out a notice that's wrong and they can't get it taken care of, or find out why it was sent, it takes 6 months to respond to a letter, etc. I deal with them all the time, and cutting their budget just creates a lot of dead weight as people spend hours dealing with an agency that's purposely underfunded and understaffed.

It's just a terrible idea from top to bottom, and worse than it being a bad idea, it wouldn't even begin to solve the supposed corruption problem. The people affected by the cuts won't be the people in IRS HQ in DC, but thousands of ordinary employees just doing a necessary and thankless job, and the millions of Americans dealing with IRS as part of life as a citizen.
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You do realize the IRS is targeting people for their political views?
 
apdst said:
**** can some mid-level managers. Someone will start singing like a bird.
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What scares me is the DOJ is silent on this whole matter, and where the hell is the FBI?? But everyone can now rest easy because this same IRS is now enforcing healthcare.
 
JasperL said:
Cutting IRS budget is just a green light to tax cheats. The shortage will be felt at the individual level when ordinary people that call can't get someone to answer the phone, the computers send out a notice that's wrong and they can't get it taken care of, or find out why it was sent, it takes 6 months to respond to a letter, etc. I deal with them all the time, and cutting their budget just creates a lot of dead weight as people spend hours dealing with an agency that's purposely underfunded and understaffed.

It's just a terrible idea from top to bottom, and worse than it being a bad idea, it wouldn't even begin to solve the supposed corruption problem. The people affected by the cuts won't be the people in IRS HQ in DC, but thousands of ordinary employees just doing a necessary and thankless job, and the millions of Americans dealing with IRS as part of life as a citizen.
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Dude, have you ever tried to call the IRS? LOL!!!
 
apdst said:
You don't close deficites by creating more income. You do it by spending money you have, not money you don't have.
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You close deficits by the combination of raising revenue and lowering expenses. If your revenue shortfall is largely function of your inability to collect what is due you, you most certainly attack that first. Sorry, this is business finance 101.
 
Gringo allstar said:
You do realize the IRS is targeting people for their political views?
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You missed half my quote. How does laying off people that had nothing to do with that help anything? It does nothing to address the problem, and will hurt thousands of employees that do NOT examine 501 applications, and inconvenience millions of Americans.
 
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