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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    So the forces of the right cut the ability of the government to collect tax revenues and then they will complain about the governments budget at the same time after undertaking this very action which will contribute to the problem.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I agree with you - if you committed any other crime, your job would surely be in jeopardy if not automatically lost. I do find it odd though, that sufficient withholdings aren't the norm. Seems to me another example of government incapable of managing the affairs it is tasked with.
    It's not really a crime to owe money to IRS any more than it's a crime to be late on your Mastercard payment. There are a lot of reasons why individuals get into trouble - divorce, disputes about who claims a dependent, simple errors (forgetting to include a 1099 or math errors), and just getting into a financial bind and unable to pay the taxes owed when due. Many times the IRS will assess penalties in error, but until resolved will show the taxpayer as delinquent.

    Here's a look at penalties, etc. There were 38 million penalties assessed last YEAR, and about 5 million abated. Few of those assessed were for criminal acts -= fraud - and almost all of them made simple mistakes or just had life intervene with perfect compliance. I have to respond to penalty notices as part of my job - there is almost no correlation between those who have problems with IRS and honesty/integrity. Many who are in financial trouble elsewhere also get into arrears with IRS, same as their power bill, phone bill, rent, etc.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's not really a crime to owe money to IRS any more than it's a crime to be late on your Mastercard payment. There are a lot of reasons why individuals get into trouble - divorce, disputes about who claims a dependent, simple errors (forgetting to include a 1099 or math errors), and just getting into a financial bind and unable to pay the taxes owed when due. Many times the IRS will assess penalties in error, but until resolved will show the taxpayer as delinquent.

    Here's a look at penalties, etc. There were 38 million penalties assessed last YEAR, and about 5 million abated.

    SOI Tax Stats - IRS Data Book
    I agree there are a lot of reasons why an individual may be in arrears on their taxes. However, if you work for the federal government and particularly if you work for the IRS, there seems to me to be very few legitimate reasons why you would be. In addition, as your employer, the IRS has a pretty easy way of getting at your salary if you don't pay. As for it being a crime, I'd be strictly referring to anyone employed by the government who did not file a tax return - there's no excuse for that.
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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    so giving a agency less money that it asked for in order to do it's basic job somehow removes corruption?
    Seems logical to me. The less government does, the less corruption is involved. If less money means the government does less, I would view that as very positive.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Seems logical to me. The less government does, the less corruption is involved. If less money means the government does less, I would view that as very positive.
    The less government, the easier it is corrupt
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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Cutting IRS budget is just a green light to tax cheats. The shortage will be felt at the individual level when ordinary people that call can't get someone to answer the phone, the computers send out a notice that's wrong and they can't get it taken care of, or find out why it was sent, it takes 6 months to respond to a letter, etc. I deal with them all the time, and cutting their budget just creates a lot of dead weight as people spend hours dealing with an agency that's purposely underfunded and understaffed.

    It's just a terrible idea from top to bottom, and worse than it being a bad idea, it wouldn't even begin to solve the supposed corruption problem. The people affected by the cuts won't be the people in IRS HQ in DC, but thousands of ordinary employees just doing a necessary and thankless job, and the millions of Americans dealing with IRS as part of life as a citizen.
    Well maybe the Obama administration should have considered the repercussions of illegally targeting American Citizens based on their Political views.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The less government, the easier it is corrupt
    My view is quite the opposite.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    I love how it was a voice vote, in other words no record for when campaign season is in full swing. Just reinforced the "phony scandal" bit.
    You need to cool it with the false meme. That's been debunked for months. There is no doubt the scandal is real at this point.
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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So the forces of the right cut the ability of the government to collect tax revenues and then they will complain about the governments budget at the same time after undertaking this very action which will contribute to the problem.

    Got it loud and clear.
    Apparently not. The size of government is the problem.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Of course it won't.... it part the Con job to create smaller government by starvation: cut revenue, cry about deficits and create the atmosphere that people think the only solution is to cut expenses.

    If you were really serious about budget deficits and did not want to raise taxes you would be certain to ensure everyone was at least paying the tax due: you would be expanding tax collection efforts; you would be expanding the IRS budget.

    or as some have advocated, you simplify

    you can still have a progressive tax

    you take away all the loopholes, tax credits, and crap

    doesnt matter how the income is made....it is all taxed the same

    and everyone needs to have skin in the game

    no marriage penalty....no marriage credit

    doesnt matter if you have zero kids or a dozen

    we dont need, nor should we want a tax code like we have

    According to the CCH Standard Federal Tax Reporter, as of 2013, it now takes 73,954 regular 8-1/2" x 11" sheets of paper to explain the complexity of the U.S. federal tax code!

    Believe it or not, that represents an improvement from the trend that has existed since the end of World War 2, where the tool we developed to project the number of pages needed to explain the U.S. income tax code had anticipated that 77,030 pages would be needed in 2013.

    You might think that our tool being "off" by 3,076 pages might depress us, especially after our tool was just 1.3% (or 956 pages) off from 2012's total of 73,608

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    special interest and lobbyists are what caused these issues

    time to simplify!
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