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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

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    Why are you pulling the race card
    It was sarcasm. Don't get up tight.
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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I don't necessarily buy this will actually fight corruption, but those acting like there's no reasonable reasons someone could think it would is ridiculous and patently dishonest.

    If you believe an organization is corrupt, then giving them less money to engage in corrupt activities would help fight the amount of corruption possible.

    If you believe pressure is needed to be put on an agency to get them to correct their corruption than cutting money, as a stick, gives potential incentive to stop acting in the way that led to them wanting to cut it...and the potential to get the funding back in later years could act as a carrot for the same thing.

    By reducing the amount of money an agency you believe is corrupt can spend then it's reasonable to suggest they will have to direct the remaining monies to some of the most essential functions which you may feel is less likely to be corrupted.

    By reducing the amount of money an agency you believe is corrupt can spend you potentially create an environment where employees are less apt to act in a corrupt fashion as there will be a greater possibility of punishment for that corruption leading to pay grade decreases or terminations if caught as opposed to slap on the wrists, as it would provide cost saving.
    It's like trade sanctions on the IRS. If they cooperate and stop stone walling FOIA requests then they get some more money.
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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i fail to see how gutting the budget of the governments tax collection agency is going to solve the countries money troubles
    This isn't about money its about weakening the agency for waay over stepping their bounds. I wouldn't stop here either, we need to connect the dots and see just how high this goes.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I don't necessarily buy this will actually fight corruption, but those acting like there's no reasonable reasons someone could think it would is ridiculous and patently dishonest.

    If you believe an organization is corrupt, then giving them less money to engage in corrupt activities would help fight the amount of corruption possible.

    If you believe pressure is needed to be put on an agency to get them to correct their corruption than cutting money, as a stick, gives potential incentive to stop acting in the way that led to them wanting to cut it...and the potential to get the funding back in later years could act as a carrot for the same thing.

    By reducing the amount of money an agency you believe is corrupt can spend then it's reasonable to suggest they will have to direct the remaining monies to some of the most essential functions which you may feel is less likely to be corrupted.

    By reducing the amount of money an agency you believe is corrupt can spend you potentially create an environment where employees are less apt to act in a corrupt fashion as there will be a greater possibility of punishment for that corruption leading to pay grade decreases or terminations if caught as opposed to slap on the wrists, as it would provide cost saving.
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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    This isn't about money its about weakening the agency for waay over stepping their bounds. I wouldn't stop here either, we need to connect the dots and see just how high this goes.
    **** can some mid-level managers. Someone will start singing like a bird.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Cutting IRS budget is just a green light to tax cheats. The shortage will be felt at the individual level when ordinary people that call can't get someone to answer the phone, the computers send out a notice that's wrong and they can't get it taken care of, or find out why it was sent, it takes 6 months to respond to a letter, etc. I deal with them all the time, and cutting their budget just creates a lot of dead weight as people spend hours dealing with an agency that's purposely underfunded and understaffed.

    It's just a terrible idea from top to bottom, and worse than it being a bad idea, it wouldn't even begin to solve the supposed corruption problem. The people affected by the cuts won't be the people in IRS HQ in DC, but thousands of ordinary employees just doing a necessary and thankless job, and the millions of Americans dealing with IRS as part of life as a citizen.
    You do realize the IRS is targeting people for their political views?

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    **** can some mid-level managers. Someone will start singing like a bird.
    What scares me is the DOJ is silent on this whole matter, and where the hell is the FBI?? But everyone can now rest easy because this same IRS is now enforcing healthcare.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Cutting IRS budget is just a green light to tax cheats. The shortage will be felt at the individual level when ordinary people that call can't get someone to answer the phone, the computers send out a notice that's wrong and they can't get it taken care of, or find out why it was sent, it takes 6 months to respond to a letter, etc. I deal with them all the time, and cutting their budget just creates a lot of dead weight as people spend hours dealing with an agency that's purposely underfunded and understaffed.

    It's just a terrible idea from top to bottom, and worse than it being a bad idea, it wouldn't even begin to solve the supposed corruption problem. The people affected by the cuts won't be the people in IRS HQ in DC, but thousands of ordinary employees just doing a necessary and thankless job, and the millions of Americans dealing with IRS as part of life as a citizen.
    Dude, have you ever tried to call the IRS? LOL!!!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You don't close deficites by creating more income. You do it by spending money you have, not money you don't have.
    You close deficits by the combination of raising revenue and lowering expenses. If your revenue shortfall is largely function of your inability to collect what is due you, you most certainly attack that first. Sorry, this is business finance 101.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    You do realize the IRS is targeting people for their political views?
    You missed half my quote. How does laying off people that had nothing to do with that help anything? It does nothing to address the problem, and will hurt thousands of employees that do NOT examine 501 applications, and inconvenience millions of Americans.

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