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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And why did our Founding Fathers choose a strong central government after having tried a loose confederation? Think about that for a while.

    And just like when it comes to education, you don't make a government agency work better by slashing its budget.
    I'm not sure why that's here, or there, but this is a perfect example of why they chose three branches of government, with seperate powers: to keep one ranch from over-exerting it's power.
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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

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    People can correct the problem now by voting for better candidates.
    This is clearly not true. When power is centralized far away from where it is exercised accountability diminishes.

    Unfortunately there are no better candidates being put up by any party and it doesn't matter if it's local, state or federal elections, they all suck. People no longer run for office to make a difference, they run for office for power, control and money. The idea of public service doesn't exist in politics anymore, it's all about feathering your own nest and the nest of your party. Corruption exists everywhere. How many governors of Illinois are in prison right now? How many mayors of cities are in prison right now? These are all people who are voted into office by their constituents yet were crooks.
    Candidates are not the issue. Power centralized is the issue.

    And the idea that you can go "influence" a politician is childish. Violence or threats are immature. These people are elected collectively, just because you don't like it, doesn't give you the right to take them out on your own.
    I don't know. I have met my representative face to face. I know that I do not like him. Ii know that I can talk to my state representative and senator far easier than I can talk to the guy who lives in Washington.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Congressional term limits would go a very long way towards fixing the legislative branch.
    Not just Congress. The judicial branch needs term limits. No supreme court justice should serve more than about a decade.

    Then the noose or retirement.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And why did our Founding Fathers choose a strong central government after having tried a loose confederation? Think about that for a while.

    And just like when it comes to education, you don't make a government agency work better by slashing its budget.
    Are you familiar with the actual document? The Federal government agreed to was limited primarily with dealing with external issues and making sure that states treated one another fairly. That is about it.

    Today we have a monster loose and it is the most dangerous threat to our liberties that exists.

    The IRS should take at least as big a cut as the defense department.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Are you familiar with the actual document? The Federal government agreed to was limited primarily with dealing with external issues and making sure that states treated one another fairly. That is about it.

    Today we have a monster loose and it is the most dangerous threat to our liberties that exists.

    The IRS should take at least as big a cut as the defense department.
    Really? The budget for the IRS has declined for three straight years already. The IRS budget is less than $13 billion, whereas the Defense budget is $643 billion. The real killer is that it's the IRS that ensures the tax revenue stream for everything else, including Defense...

    ...and to make matters even worse, HONEST taxpayers are still going to be paying the same amount of taxes - cutting the IRS is doing NOTHING but enabling DISHONEST people to safely cheat on paying the taxes they should be paying anyway.

    Because of all that, it is eminently stupid to continue to cut the IRS.
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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Really? The budget for the IRS has declined for three straight years already. The IRS budget is less than $13 billion, whereas the Defense budget is $643 billion. The real killer is that it's the IRS that ensures the tax revenue stream for everything else, including Defense...

    ...and to make matters even worse, HONEST taxpayers are still going to be paying the same amount of taxes - cutting the IRS is doing NOTHING but enabling DISHONEST people to safely cheat on paying the taxes they should be paying anyway.

    Because of all that, it is eminently stupid to continue to cut the IRS.

    Maybe the White House and the IRS should have considered that before they decided to harrass innocent Americans.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I disagree. One of the main reasons congress is so corrupt is that too many politicians make it a lifetime career. The longer they stay in office, the more entrenched their power becomes. If we had term limits, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid for instance would be gone.
    And they'd be replaced by people who, like them, are looking for power and money, but since they know that they have only one or two terms to make it happen and they can't get re-elected, they'd be only worried about making backroom deals and garnering money and influence for themselves and their parties. The problem isn't how long these people serve, it's that we give them so much power to begin with, that we give the political parties so much power that the point of being elected isn't to serve the public interest, it's to make a buck and claim power. The system is inherently corrupt and we have to change the system or we'll never stop the politicians, even the most well-meaning ones, from being corrupted by it.
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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I don't know. I have met my representative face to face. I know that I do not like him. Ii know that I can talk to my state representative and senator far easier than I can talk to the guy who lives in Washington.
    And yet, your representative is still your representative. Imagine that. Living close didn't magically make them a better person.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And why did our Founding Fathers choose a strong central government after having tried a loose confederation? Think about that for a while
    They didn't choose a strong central government. Read up on "Separation of Powers".

    And just like when it comes to education, you don't make a government agency work better by slashing its budget.
    You certainly do make a government agency work better by forcing it to live within it's means.

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    Re: House GOP votes to gut IRS budget

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And they'd be replaced by people who, like them, are looking for power and money, but since they know that they have only one or two terms to make it happen and they can't get re-elected, they'd be only worried about making backroom deals and garnering money and influence for themselves and their parties. The problem isn't how long these people serve, it's that we give them so much power to begin with, that we give the political parties so much power that the point of being elected isn't to serve the public interest, it's to make a buck and claim power. The system is inherently corrupt and we have to change the system or we'll never stop the politicians, even the most well-meaning ones, from being corrupted by it.
    You are a bit too cynical for me. The abuse of power in congress mostly comes from entrenched power. Term limits would certainly trim the corruption significantly.

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