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    Did the VA try to bug Congressional investigators?

    While the DOJ goes after a person excercising his 1st Amendment rights, the VA is eaves dropping on congressional investigators and obstructing justice.

    When Congressional investigators arrived at the regional VA office in Philadelphia, they probably didn’t expect the red-carpet treatment. However, they probably didn’t expect the Red Scare treatment, either. In testimony before Congress last night, investigators revealed that the VA office initially gave them offices that were wired to record audio and video. They also found a notebook detailing how one manager instructed employees to obstruct the investigation:
    Congressional staffers investigating data falsification and whistleblower retaliation at the Department of Veterans Affairs regional office in Philadelphia were given a workspace there that was wired with activated audio microphones and video cameras, the chairman of the House Committee on Veterans’ Affairs said Monday.
    Committee investigators also glimpsed a notebook used by the agency’s regional director that bore written instructions to ignore their requests for information, Rep. Jeff Miller, R-Fla., said during a late-night hearing.

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    Re: Did the VA try to bug Congressional investigators?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    While the DOJ goes after a person excercising his 1st Amendment rights, the VA is eaves dropping on congressional investigators and obstructing justice.
    The thing that doesn't make sense is this - the VA isn't really equipped for poring through all of that. Which makes me wonder who is really behind the recording. I'm not saying it didn't happen, it just begs the question of who really wanted that.

    I'll wait till there's more before passing judgement on it.


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    Re: Did the VA try to bug Congressional investigators?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The thing that doesn't make sense is this - the VA isn't really equipped for poring through all of that. Which makes me wonder who is really behind the recording. I'm not saying it didn't happen, it just begs the question of who really wanted that.

    I'll wait till there's more before passing judgement on it.
    If you agree that it happened, you have no other option than to admit that it's illegal and that someone needs to face some criminal charges.
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    Re: Did the VA try to bug Congressional investigators?

    Still don't get why the FBI hasn't started an investigation on the systematic bonus fraud committed by VA administrators. Doesn't make any sense.

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    Re: Did the VA try to bug Congressional investigators?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Still don't get why the FBI hasn't started an investigation on the systematic bonus fraud committed by VA administrators. Doesn't make any sense.
    Because Obama would have to admit that the government, under his administration is a cluster ****. Not just a cluster ****, but an unprecedented cluster ****; biggest cluster **** in American history.

    OR, there could be a direct link to the White House, proving executive involvement in creating the cluster ****.
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    Re: Did the VA try to bug Congressional investigators?

    Each state is different on this, and I don't know of any federal statutes it violates.

    I wonder if they don't have rooms wired for training, for group meetings off site, etc and someone is making hey over nothing. There is enough failure at the VA to care much about their wanting to snoop on congress critters.


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    If you agree that it happened, you have no other option than to admit that it's illegal and that someone needs to face some criminal charges.

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    Re: Did the VA try to bug Congressional investigators?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Each state is different on this, and I don't know of any federal statutes it violates.

    I wonder if they don't have rooms wired for training, for group meetings off site, etc and someone is making hey over nothing. There is enough failure at the VA to care much about their wanting to snoop on congress critters.
    The VA peeps recorded a congressional investigative team, in a Federal facility. It falls under Federal law, not state law. Federal law says this is illegal. Remember when James O'Keefe surreptitiously videoed a conversation in Mary Landrieu's office?
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    Re: Did the VA try to bug Congressional investigators?

    Not sure. I thought okeef was prosecuted on state statutes? For instance in CA you can't even record someone without their permission. In some states you can.


    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The VA peeps recorded a congressional investigative team, in a Federal facility. It falls under Federal law, not state law. Federal law says this is illegal. Remember when James O'Keefe surreptitiously videoed a conversation in Mary Landrieu's office?

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    Re: Did the VA try to bug Congressional investigators?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Not sure. I thought okeef was prosecuted on state statutes? For instance in CA you can't even record someone without their permission. In some states you can.
    Federal laws apply on Federal installations.
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    Re: Did the VA try to bug Congressional investigators?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because Obama would have to admit that the government, under his administration is a cluster ****. Not just a cluster ****, but an unprecedented cluster ****; biggest cluster **** in American history.

    OR, there could be a direct link to the White House, proving executive involvement in creating the cluster ****.
    Frankly, think its more systematic than direct WH invovlement. The scandal is a clear example of how the span of control to too broad and how utterly unaccountable those bestowed to the bureaucracy truly are.

    I would say the Administration has some culpability on the demonization of the whistleblowers invovled. They should be shrouding them in protection and they're leaving them out to the crows.

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