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    Re: One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Contr

    Senator Church wasn't an advocate for dismantling the NSA, as I doubt anyone was/is. The warning call (which incidentally was not heeded) was for comprehensive reform resulting in far better checks and balances, regulation and audit to prevent the predicted abuses.
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    Re: One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Contr

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Yes, get rid of the capacity for signals intelligence. Excellent idea.
    The proverbial "shotgun approach" is unnecessary.

    We can keep the NSA as it has a valid purpose, at least in times of legitimate war.

    The NSA and its government brethren must simply learn to obey the law, which it now violates with impunity. You know, that part that says "no warrant shall issue, but upon probable cause"?

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    Re: One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Contr

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    The proverbial "shotgun approach" is unnecessary.

    We can keep the NSA as it has a valid purpose, at least in times of legitimate war.

    The NSA and its government brethren must simply learn to obey the law, which it now violates with impunity. You know, that part that says "no warrant shall issue, but upon probable cause"?
    Talk to Ikari, he's the one that suggested it. Again, you're not the arbiter of what's probable cause and what's not. We have people who have years and years of education and experience for that, not internet conspiracy theorists.
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    Re: One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Contr

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Talk to Ikari, he's the one that suggested it. Again, you're not the arbiter of what's probable cause and what's not. We have people who have years and years of education and experience for that, not internet conspiracy theorists.
    Neither are you an arbiter of that OWO.

    You are a great cheerleader for the status quo, but not an arbiter of what is illegal or not.

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    Re: One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Contr

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Neither are you an arbiter of that OWO.

    You are a great cheerleader for the status quo, but not an arbiter of what is illegal or not.
    Did I ever say I was?

    I said federal judges were. You know, the guys that oversee NSA?
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    Re: One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Contr

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Talk to Ikari, he's the one that suggested it. Again, you're not the arbiter of what's probable cause and what's not. We have people who have years and years of education and experience for that, not internet conspiracy theorists.
    Does a dog need years and years of experience to know when you've kicked it? Or is it likely to know right away?
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    Re: One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Contr

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Did I ever say I was?

    I said federal judges were. You know, the guys that oversee NSA?
    They "oversee" the NSA about as much as you "oversee" the Congress. Gimme a break dude.

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    Re: One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Contr

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    it's time to improve the way we control the people that we employ to run the business of government, so that they cannot misuse that cool technology.
    Might want to get control of the technology too.

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    Re: One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Contr

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Yes, get rid of the capacity for signals intelligence. Excellent idea.
    Well, if the government could be trusted with that capacity I might be open to the idea of allowing them to have it, but since they can't, I'm not.

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    Re: One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Contr

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Does a dog need years and years of experience to know when you've kicked it? Or is it likely to know right away?
    It takes years and years of experience to know what you're talking about, yes.

    To wit:

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    They "oversee" the NSA about as much as you "oversee" the Congress. Gimme a break dude.
    Henry says this, but he actually has no idea whatsoever

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Well, if the government could be trusted with that capacity I might be open to the idea of allowing them to have it, but since they can't, I'm not.
    Well, too bad, huh?
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