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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    What if the CEO broke the law ? What if the CEO was E-mailing other CEO's so they could conspire against a group of people because they refused to buy their products ??

    Fire Lois Lerner ? No, indict her and put her in prison for the rest of her natural life.
    CEOs break the law and get away with it all the time, and no one has proven that Lois Lerner committed any crimes. The innocent until proven guilty part of the Bill of Rights is still intact.


    at least for now.
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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    CEOs break the law and get away with it all the time, and no one has proven that Lois Lerner committed any crimes. The innocent until proven guilty part of the Bill of Rights is still intact.


    at least for now.
    Wait, so that's your way of defining down Lerner's actions here ?

    People break the law all the time and get away with it ?

    And did you know, NO WHERE in our Constitution does it say You're innocent until proven guilty ".

    I'm not disagreeing with the concept of assumed innocence, just don't twist our founding documents to make your case.

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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Wait, so that's your way of defining down Lerner's actions here ?

    People break the law all the time and get away with it ?

    And did you know, NO WHERE in our Constitution does it say You're innocent until proven guilty ".

    I'm not disagreeing with the concept of assumed innocence, just don't twist our founding documents to make your case.
    You got me wondering about that. Presumption of innocence is a basic tenant of our system of justice, but just where does it come from? I asked Yahoo answers, and found this:

    Which amendment in the bill of rights is innocent until proven guilty?
    i'm pretty sure it's the 5th or the 6th, could someone please help me out??

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    Theres no amendment that spefically guarantees "innocent until proven guilty" But the 5th, 6th, and 14th Amendments basically created presumption of innocence.
    Not that it really matters. She is presumed innocent, as she hasn't been proved guilty of anything.
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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You got me wondering about that. Presumption of innocence is a basic tenant of our system of justice, but just where does it come from? I asked Yahoo answers, and found this:



    Not that it really matters. She is presumed innocent, as she hasn't been proved guilty of anything.

    She's a liar, no proof needed to come to that Conclusion.

    First admitting that Conservatives organizations were disproportionately targeted and then doing everything in her power to cover her tracks.

    From her 24 consecutive 5th amendment pleas to the destruction of evidence that would have tied her actions to outside Federal agencies.

    So much stone walling for a " politically motivated investigation " right ?

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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    She's a liar, no proof needed to come to that Conclusion.
    Proof is never needed for conservative posters as you've just admitted.
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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Proof is never needed for conservative posters as you've just admitted.
    The Bill of Rights is only for the real Patriots, right ?
    What are you talking about? Did you miss the wiki on contempt of congress? Are you saying the congress doesn't have the constitutional grant to subpoena and hold persons in contempt? That they don't also have the power to arrest? What do you think they have a Sgt At Arms for?

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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    What are you talking about? Did you miss the wiki on contempt of congress? Are you saying the congress doesn't have the constitutional grant to subpoena and hold persons in contempt? That they don't also have the power to arrest? What do you think they have a Sgt At Arms for?
    is lois lerner sitting in congress right now?
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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    is lois lerner sitting in congress right now?
    She doesn't have to be. Read up on contempt of congress and get back to us.

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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    So, is your position that the only way to force her to answer is to give her broad immunity?
    That is one of the few ways to circumvent fifth amendment protections against self-incrimination. Contempt is not one of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    Except that Lerner did both assert her fifth amendment and give a statement during a Congressional hearing.
    And since it was a hearing and not a jury trial, I'm sure that congress needs no instruction to ignore the statement. They can happily do so as they please. Why do people seem to think that a statement has anything to do with the protection against self-incrimination? It doesn't. I don't know why people keep bringing it up. As I explained in the post that you quoted but apparently didn't read or didn't understand, they have nothing to do with each other.
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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    She's a liar, no proof needed to come to that Conclusion.

    First admitting that Conservatives organizations were disproportionately targeted and then doing everything in her power to cover her tracks.

    From her 24 consecutive 5th amendment pleas to the destruction of evidence that would have tied her actions to outside Federal agencies.

    So much stone walling for a " politically motivated investigation " right ?
    She's a liar? Well, she did say that her testimony could tend to incriminate her, which was the truth.

    I still say, fire her, just as any CEO of a private company would be fired, then move on. What's the point of a contempt of Congress charge other than making political hay?

    Oh, and if every liar in Washington were to be thrown in jail, do you realize what DC would be?

    A ghost town, that's what.
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