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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    While I think that Lerner should be in jail right now, I think that an order to the Sergeant at Arms to arrest is ridiculous.

    We need a Special Prosecutor on this matter.
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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    I think there are far more Americans that think the IRS looks guilty than think the GOP looks silly.
    What about those of us who think that the IRS, or at least some of its employees, look guilty, and the GOP looks silly?
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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What about those of us who think that the IRS, or at least some of its employees, look guilty, and the GOP looks silly?

    Sure there are people that will agree to that.

    But I'm not one of them.

    Whats the House, who's responsible for oversight supposed to do in this situation ?

    Holder WON'T call for a Special prosecutor.

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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Sure there are people that will agree to that.

    But I'm not one of them.

    Whats the House, who's responsible for oversight supposed to do in this situation ?

    Holder WON'T call for a Special prosecutor.
    What they're supposed to do must be what they've been doing, make an opportunity for political grandstanding.

    Or, they could call someone else to testify, since Lerner still does have fifth amendment rights.

    Or, perhaps they could continue to tear down the fifth amendment, along with the second, the fourth, the tenth, and other amendments that they don't like.
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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What they're supposed to do must be what they've been doing, make an opportunity for political grandstanding.

    Or, they could call someone else to testify, since Lerner still does have fifth amendment rights.

    Or, perhaps they could continue to tear down the fifth amendment, along with the second, the fourth, the tenth, and other amendments that they don't like.
    Lol !!
    You seem so concerned about the Constitution all of the sudden.

    Does you concern extend out to the victims of the IRSs admitted targeting ?

    Or just to democrats ?
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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And until that is decided, this is going to go nowhere. How about they actually get a ruling on THAT part, before the Republicans look even more silly with this "arresting" business.

    It's clear there hasn't been a consensus on whether she actually waived her 5th amendment rights because there are "legal experts" that have said she hasn't waived them and there are those that have said she has. Without that being decided by courts, the GOP are just spinning their wheels.
    I would like to hear how you propose they "Get a ruling on that"?

    The reason I ask is that I don't see how a ruling could happen unless someone (I propose Lerner) is arrested for contempt despite the fact that they have asserted their 5th amendment rights. Then a judge will have the opportunity to rule. Otherwise, the opportunity to rule on it never arises. This is the way American law seems to work. You don't get rulings on things until they are attempted, generally speaking. So, I was just wondering if you had an alternate scenario within American law that could somehow be followed to obtain that ruling before she is arrested.

    She can take the 5th in order to avoid incriminating herself, but she doesn't get to take it to avoid Republican partisan attacks. Consistently, that is the excuse my fellow liberals have cited for her taking the 5th. It doesn't work that way, and it is a ridiculous partisan fall back position. We must assume she took it because she has something criminal to hide, and we must pursue that fact aggressively. We don't reduce our effort when someone takes the 5th, we intensify it. I say this as a Democrat and liberal who nevertheless believes criminal use of executive power is one of the worst affronts to democracy, and should be investigated vigorously.

    I do believe the logic of their effort to arrest her is on shaky legal ground, but I do like the principle of it. Either be silent or talk, but don't think you can have your cake and eat it too. It should be pursued.
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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    GOP Congressman: ‘We Just Filed a Resolution Directing the Sergeant-at-Arms to Arrest Lois Lerner for Contempt’ | TheBlaze.com


    "Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas) announced on Thursday that he has filed a resolution directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “arrest Lois Lerner for contempt of Congress” over the IRS targeting scandal.

    Stockman said in a statement that asking the U.S. Department of Justice to prosecute Lerner for “admittedly illegal activity” is a “joke.” Instead, the Republican said it is up to the U.S. House to “uphold the rule of law and hold accountable those who illegally targeted American citizens for simply having different ideas than the President.”

    Under the proposed resolution, Lerner would be held in a Washington, D.C., jail and would be given access to an attorney and all her constitutional rights."
    That sounds right and is over due.
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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol !!
    You seem so concerned about the Constitution all of the sudden.

    Does you concern extend out to the victims of the IRSs admitted targeting ?

    Or just to democrats ?
    Nothing sudden about it. I've been ranting about the Constitution being trampled ever since I joined the forum.

    And yes, of course it extends to any "victims" of IRS targeting.

    It just doesn't extend to members of Congress who are more interested in partisan grandstanding than in taking care of the nation's business.
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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    If nothing else, she certainly is contemptible.

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    Re: Resolution Directing the House sergeant-at-arms to “Arrest Lois Lerner for Contem

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Representative Stockman should look up how contempt actually works before making such absurd demands. Contempt is absolutely not a means to circumvent the fifth amendment.
    Maybe you should look up how it works.

    Most contempt citations arise from Congress's investigatory powers. In its decisions since World War II, the Supreme Court has outlined requirements that Congress must meet before it can compel testimony. The investigation must have a valid legislative purpose. It must be conducted by a committee or subcommittee of the House of Representatives or Senate, or the authority of the investigating body must be clearly defined in a resolution. The questions asked of witnesses must be pertinent to the subject of inquiry. Contempt proceedings cannot be used to harass an individual or organization. Finally, before individuals can be held in contempt, they must willfully default, either by failing to appear before the investigating body or by refusing to answer pertinent questions.
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