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Obama: No interest in border 'photo op'

But Bush didn't bow to a monarch. Not even an American civilian is required to bow to any King or Queen. Something to do with the American Revolution.

I believe every monarch in the world in the past 230 plus years are aware that American citizens are exempt from bowing at the waist.
Proper protocol for an American to recognized a monarch is the lowering of the head or a nod of the head.

I believe back when women were held in high esteem and respected, there was no problem bowing even at the waist to a woman. I have no problem with that but I'm not a lefty ***** and I protect women.

And one more thing, AR - Bush, Nixon, and Eisenhower all bowed, too. And I can just imagine what you and the rest of the Right would have said if Obama had kissed the Saudi king....
 
Obama doesn't pick what the photo ops will be, Valerie Jarrett does that.

As well as his clothes in the morning and rubs the schmutz off his face with her finger before she reminds him to brush his teeth and hair before his bowl of fruit loops for breakfast.
 
Really, AR? Do you really understand so little about diplomacy (concerning the Saudi king)? And when it comes to the Japanese emperor, bowing in Japan is not by any means a gesture of fealty, but of courtesy and politeness and is done - and often expected - between two people regardless of station or peerage.

Re: Japan, I think it was cool when President G.H. Bush vomited on the PM of Japan. Two thumbs up.
 
Really, AR? Do you really understand so little about diplomacy (concerning the Saudi king)? And when it comes to the Japanese emperor, bowing in Japan is not by any means a gesture of fealty, but of courtesy and politeness and is done - and often expected - between two people regardless of station or peerage.

Evidently you are not sure of it yourself.

In japan bowing is a sign of respect to the other persons authority. world leaders acknowledging another leader a slight nod of the head or even a slight bow is enough. the bow is to match the other persons. the lower you bow it shows that you are beneath the station of the person you are addressing.

obama didn't know what he was doing and his deep bow could have been seen as offensive if not highly ignorant.
 
See and you've just illustrated the problem... one sided blame. So don't wonder why nothing is getting done - Mmkay? The system is working as designed. Partisan morons who can't figure it out claiming only their side is pristine as the driven snow and the other side is the evil means nothing gets done.

Ahh.. it's all the tea party's fault. You continue to illustrate the problem.

My view is the actual reality: Reid, Bohener and Obama are all to blame. None can be the adult in the room.

THAT is reality.

it is worse than you think.
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why no one is doing anything about this i do not understand it is beyond comprehension.
 
But Nixon did....

Hard to believe since U.S. State protocol is based upon Navy customs and protocol which forbids any officer, sailor or Marine to ever bow to a foreign head of state.

Nixon was a Lt. Cmdr. in the Navy during WW ll, recognized as the best poker player in the Pacific. I'm pretty sure naval officer were required to read U.S. Navy Customs and Traditions along with "Rocks and Shoals."
 
Then I fail to see the problem. Do you really think this is the first time a president has altered his itinerary due to external pressure of one sort or another. Incidentally, given Perry's attitude (as written all over his smug ass face in the photo that your ridiculing) and things that he has said about this president and others (having admitted to stepping in it on several occasions) it wouldn't have bothered me if Obama didn't meet with him at all, and left him out of the loop on the game plan for dealing with the problem.

You are Back pedaling. The country is focused on the humanitarian disaster at the southern border and the president flies to the region to... raise money. Our president has to be shamed into meeting for talks with the Governor of the state because our president is a partisan douche.

You tried to defend the president by falsely claiming that the meeting was planned all along. It wasn't. The president is so focused on politics rather than leadership that he flew to a disaster site in order to attend a fundraiser.
 
But Nixon did....

It still amazes me how quick Obama defenders are to point out that Obama behaves just like presidents they hate. :roll:
 
if he was worth a damn and 'doing his job' he would be working with el presidente Nieto of mejico and this would never be a US border fiasco. It is mejico that is allowing the children of central America to access their borders. But again...Obama is such a ****ing joke it is highly unlikely that any world leaders would be willing to work with him on anything of substance.
 
You are Back pedaling. The country is focused on the humanitarian disaster at the southern border and the president flies to the region to... raise money. Our president has to be shamed into meeting for talks with the Governor of the state because our president is a partisan douche.

You tried to defend the president by falsely claiming that the meeting was planned all along. It wasn't. The president is so focused on politics rather than leadership that he flew to a disaster site in order to attend a fundraiser.

Back peddling!! The WH said from the beginning that the trip had three purposes. One was to meet Perry on the tarmac. Perry preferred a set down and Obama complied. As for fundraising, leave that alone, you only look stupid. Every president fundraises. The oppossition party ALWAYS thinks he's doing it at the wrong time. Both sides do this. There's a problem on our border, an old problem with a new twist to be sure. But if you're just learning about it this year, that's a problem, too! No president, congress or party has ever secured the border between Mexico and the United States. It is what it is.
 
Evidently you are not sure of it yourself.

In japan bowing is a sign of respect to the other persons authority. world leaders acknowledging another leader a slight nod of the head or even a slight bow is enough. the bow is to match the other persons. the lower you bow it shows that you are beneath the station of the person you are addressing.

obama didn't know what he was doing and his deep bow could have been seen as offensive if not highly ignorant.

And you don't go giving neck rubs to foreign leaders like Dubya did to Angela Merkel, either. And you don't go upchucking in your host's lap at an official state dinner like Bush Sr. did, either. Here's a list of famous presidential faux pas - and it tells me that (gasp!) Obama's HUMAN and makes mistakes like the rest of us humans. Get over it.
 
Of course you didn't have a problem because G.W. Bush gave up playing golf while American troops were still in Iraq.

You're getting old Glen, short time memory loss. :lol:

I knew about that - and I figured you'd bring it up. Two months after he 'quit' golf, he was caught golfing again...and it was only after he was caught that he actually quit.

And if you'll recall, most people - including veterans - took his "sacrifice for solidarity" with a dim view, indeed.
 
While Rick Perry is doing photo ops imitating a sulking 6 year old, he's also ignoring several initiatives that are underway, so let's get some facts into this thread, specifically as follows:

Democrats in congress want increased funding and resources for the Pentagon's Southern Command and the State Department’s Central American Regional Security Initiative.

For fiscal 2015, the Obama administration requested $130 million for regional security, which covers seven countries. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson has said an additional $161.5 million will be provided for CARSI programs to “respond to the region’s most pressing security and governance challenges.”

President Obama’s request for foreign assistance to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador totals more than $280 million in fiscal 2015.

After Vice President Joe Biden met in Guatemala last month with leaders from that country, Mexico, El Salvador and Honduras to address the wave of children crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, he announced $9.6 million in new assistance to Central American governments for repatriation of their citizens, improving security and preventing crime, as well as a series of USAID programs. Under USAID, $40 million dollars will go to Guatemala and $25 million to El Salvador. Under CARSI, an additional $18.5 million will go to Honduras.

After 9/11, Bush pushed immigration agents to take on more of a national security role, eventually folding them into the Department of Homeland Security in 2003. Spending on federal immigration enforcement spiked by 300 percent between fiscal 2002 and 2013, according to the Migration Policy Institute, and has now reached roughly $17 billion per year.

The Obama administration has conducted more deportations in 6 years than the President George W. Bush administration did in 8, and has effectively transformed the U.S.-Mexico border. CBP has conducted over 700 missions as part of its drone program.

Additionally, National Guard troops deployed to the border in 2010 to assist with monitoring continue to operate in that capacity.

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Top General Says Mexico Border Security Now

I may be missing something here, but why do we have to pay those countries anything to take their kids back? It seems that we should be sending them a bill for what it's costing us to take care of them! They entered our Country illegally! And with Obama sending these kids all over the country as fast as he can, how do we find them to return them to wherever they came from? Does every Country in the world that wants millions of dollars from us enjoy scamming us to get it, and why do we allow them to do it - unless this was the plan all along? :thumbdown:

Greetings, Tangmo. :2wave:
 
I knew about that - and I figured you'd bring it up. Two months after he 'quit' golf, he was caught golfing again...and it was only after he was caught that he actually quit.

And if you'll recall, most people - including veterans - took his "sacrifice for solidarity" with a dim view, indeed.

I was unaware G.W. cheated and got caught.

A President sacrificing playing golf is a no biggie unless it was Eisenhower, Ford, Clinton or Obama.
 
If the President had gone to the border, GOPea brains would be playin the "photo-op" card .

You have a lame excuse for everything.
 
If the President had gone to the border, GOPea brains would be playin the "photo-op" card .

A smart and competent President would have gone to the border without the press following him around.

Bush use to visit military hospitals and military bases with no cameras around.

Even Clinton to gain respect from the military use to mingle with the troops with no cameras around.

Obama won't even think about visiting the troops unless there were a few dozens cameras around. The Obama administration even went further when Obama would do a photo op in Afghanistan, they would give a cameras to every soldier. :lamo I **** you not, that's what they did.
 
Back peddling!! The WH said from the beginning that the trip had three purposes. One was to meet Perry on the tarmac. Perry preferred a set down and Obama complied. As for fundraising, leave that alone, you only look stupid. Every president fundraises. The oppossition party ALWAYS thinks he's doing it at the wrong time. Both sides do this. There's a problem on our border, an old problem with a new twist to be sure. But if you're just learning about it this year, that's a problem, too! No president, congress or party has ever secured the border between Mexico and the United States. It is what it is.
Obama bailed on the WH and attended a fundraiser while Benghazi was ongoing. He went to 3 fundraisers in the same state as an ongoing incident which HE describes as a crisis is occurring, then bailed to Colorado to be with the boys and shoot some pool.

Dood is a clown.
 
I may be missing something here, but why do we have to pay those countries anything to take their kids back? It seems that we should be sending them a bill for what it's costing us to take care of them! They entered our Country illegally! And with Obama sending these kids all over the country as fast as he can, how do we find them to return them to wherever they came from? Does every Country in the world that wants millions of dollars from us enjoy scamming us to get it, and why do we allow them to do it - unless this was the plan all along? :thumbdown:

Greetings, Tangmo. :2wave:


Hi polgara :D

Throwing a bunch of our money at those corrupt and incompetent bozos down there is not something I'm necessarily advocating or even supporting, it's just the fact of the matter that that's what is being done and it's something I can understand given those countries are poor and would find it hard to themselves cash up even to get their own kids back, assuming they wanted them back the future notwithstanding.

It simply points out, as I'd be confident you could appreciate either way, the government is doing something tangible and that is likely to be an effective incentive to get those governments and societies to be receptive to the repatriation of their own youth.

I'd much rather the governments there themselves paid for the repatriation of their own children, and I believe Washington too would much prefer to see it happen that way. Maybe - and it's only a maybe - if the governments there had to pay for the repatriation the governments and the societies there might think twice to instead spend a couple of bucks of their own to straighten up their own southern borders to stop the flow and transit of these kids.

But then I wouldn't expect much from the governments or societies down there that would be responsible, moral, just.
 
And you don't go giving neck rubs to foreign leaders like Dubya did to Angela Merkel, either. And you don't go upchucking in your host's lap at an official state dinner like Bush Sr. did, either. Here's a list of famous presidential faux pas - and it tells me that (gasp!) Obama's HUMAN and makes mistakes like the rest of us humans. Get over it.

I am not the one ranting about it you are.
 
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