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Obama: No interest in border 'photo op'

APACHERAT said:
Obama was also an incompetent community organizer. The only accomplishment Obama achieved as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago was registering blacks as Democrats by promising free stuff.
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Obama convinced a majority of Americans to vote for him, TWICE, Now go beat that APACHE.
 
jonny5 said:
Obama goes down to raise hundreds of thousands for campaigning while Democrats sit around criticizing money in politics.
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Everybody criticizes money in politics, and then they all get out and do fundraising. Republicans bitch about federal spending, and then Reagan triples the ND, and Bush 2 doubles it. Partisans, by very nature, are two faced and hypocritical!
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063515183 said:
Link that shows those alleged facts?
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It's about photo-ops. Do you really care, or are you just insulted that I dared offer alternate facts to the RW narrative?

Should President Obama Visit The Texas Border? : It's All Politics : NPR

The Republican, thought to be interested in another run for president, has insisted Obama should visit the border.
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Why Today’s Obama-Rick Perry Meeting Will Be Awkward - ABC News

Perry Demanded An Obama Border Trip (Obama Refused)
Perry also insisted that Obama should visit the border during his Texas trip.
“If the president of the United States is really serious about securing that border, we can show him how to do that… If he doesn’t come to the border, it’s a real reflection of his lack of concern of what’s really going on there,” the governor said on Fox News Wednesday.
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APACHERAT said:
The dumbing down of America is the only answer to why it happened.

There's also the "I don't want to be called a racist" factor.
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There's been no president with a lower IQ than B-2, that didn't stop americans for voting for him twice either. By your logic, Americans have been sufficiently dumbed down, there ought not be another republican president.
 
upsideguy said:
It works both ways. The houses need to respect the politics of each other and pass bills in substantial form that can work through the other side. Why, for example, has the house not taken up the immigration bill, which could pass both houses and be signed into law?

Blame is with the electorate that has elected extreme members into the body and the electorates tolerance for them working with one another. The so-called news channels that crank out party rhetoric 24/7 in an attempt to fan the flames of their audience (and dumb them down) is also a part of this machine that has allowed all of this to happen. As a nation, we need to find more reasonable leadership (in all branches of government)... as our current trend, if left unchecked, will lead to the demise of our system of government.... but, that is another matter.
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Let me boil it down instead of answering with equal areas of the Senate bills not taken up.... we need an adult in the room in Washington. Boehner, Reid, nor Obama are that adult.
 
Montecresto said:
There's been no president with a lower IQ than B-2, that didn't stop americans for voting for him twice either. By your logic, Americans have been sufficiently dumbed down, there ought not be another republican president.
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So what's Obama's IQ ?

You are aware that IQ test were called racist by the left and blacks were no longer required to take IQ test by the time Obama was in high school and probably never took an IQ test in his life.

As for G.W. Bush, one can translate the former military GCT into a IQ level and Bush's GCT was higher than John Kerry's GCT score.

So you're making **** up.

Also everyone who had to deal with G.W. Bush when he was POTUS said Bush was smart, that he asked questions. Smart people are always asking questions. But there are some not so smart people who think asking questions is stupid. :lol:

Bush went to Ivy League colleges and earned grades. Obama can't say the same. In the private sector Bush was a businessman. In the private sector Obama was a :laughat: community organizer. :2rofll:
 
rocket88 said:
Sure, but lets face it - the House isn't going to pass anything right now unless it burnishes their re-election campaign. They continually pass bills that won't ever pass in the Senate, and they know it. And what happens when they even think about compromise - they lose primaries to TPers (ask Eric Cantor).

Republicans aren't going to work with Obama because doing so loses them their job. And Democrats don't want to help them ram through the TPs agenda (surprise!).

You can thank gerrymandering for the dysfunction that is Congress.
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Yes yes... you're taking the Democratic side again and whining about it. I know... we ALL know. At least show a shred of ability to understand it's Reid AND Bohner, and Obama is either incapable or unwilling to be the adult leader he was elected to be, roll up his sleaves and negotiate to a path forward. If you CAN'T do that without yet again, pointing to those evil Republicans, it's no wonder nothing gets done.

And by the way, the US system is set up to work just this way - if the President and Congress do not set aside their differences, great or small, then nothing gets done, and those trying to bypass one or the other should be held accountable for those illegal acts.
 
Ockham said:
Yes yes... you're taking the Democratic side again and whining about it. I know... we ALL know. At least show a shred of ability to understand it's Reid AND Bohner, and Obama is either incapable or unwilling to be the adult leader he was elected to be, roll up his sleaves and negotiate to a path forward. If you CAN'T do that without yet again, pointing to those evil Republicans, it's no wonder nothing gets done.

And by the way, the US system is set up to work just this way - if the President and Congress do not set aside their differences, great or small, then nothing gets done, and those trying to bypass one or the other should be held accountable for those illegal acts.
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It's not the Democratic side, its reality. The senate has already passed bipartisan immigration reform. The Whitehouse supports it. A majority in the house support it. The problem is what what the problem has been since 2010: a majority of Republicans are either tea party members or live in districts where they are in danger of being primaries by tea party types. They're a small but vocal minority who just so happen to hold enough votes to deny Bohner the speakership. If Boehner were to put reform up for a vote, they'd revolt, install some whackjob speaker and the house would go about shutting the government down, defaulting on our national debt, and cratering the US economy.
 
APACHERAT said:
So what's Obama's IQ ?

You are aware that IQ test were called racist by the left and blacks were no longer required to take IQ test by the time Obama was in high school and probably never took an IQ test in his life.

As for G.W. Bush, one can translate the former military GCT into a IQ level and Bush's GCT was higher than John Kerry's GCT score.

So you're making **** up.

Also everyone who had to deal with G.W. Bush when he was POTUS said Bush was smart, that he asked questions. Smart people are always asking questions. But there are some not so smart people who think asking questions is stupid. :lol:

Bush went to Ivy League colleges and earned grades. Obama can't say the same. In the private sector Bush was a businessman. In the private sector Obama was a :laughat: community organizer. :2rofll:
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Sounds like there's still some racism to be expunged. You can disagree with Obama's politics and policy all day long. You cannot deny that he's far more articulate than Bush, and doesn't embarrass us around the world as he did. Bush not being able to talk well, properly pronounce words or spell.


Yes, George W. Bush Was a Terrible President, and No, He Wasn’t Smart

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/04/bush-terrible-president-also-not-a-smart-man.html
 
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Ockham said:
Yes yes... you're taking the Democratic side again and whining about it. I know... we ALL know. At least show a shred of ability to understand it's Reid AND Bohner, and Obama is either incapable or unwilling to be the adult leader he was elected to be, roll up his sleaves and negotiate to a path forward. If you CAN'T do that without yet again, pointing to those evil Republicans, it's no wonder nothing gets done.

And by the way, the US system is set up to work just this way - if the President and Congress do not set aside their differences, great or small, then nothing gets done, and those trying to bypass one or the other should be held accountable for those illegal acts.
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I understand it's both of them. The point is, it doesn't matter. You're taking the R side again, and whining about "Oh boo hoo, Reid and Obama won't cave to all of our demands."


There's no negotiating with the TP though. ANY hint of compromise and you're getting primaried. (a la Cantor). Not surprisingly, R's don't want that. There's also no upside to the D's to cave to them. For one thing they get nothing, and for another the TP isn't that popular in their districts (or they wouldn't be there).


Right now, there"s no law governing the specific situation on the border. Now assuming that nothing's going to get passed by both houses of Congress anytime soon (which it isn't)....
 
Mithros said:
It's not the Democratic side, its reality.
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See and you've just illustrated the problem... one sided blame. So don't wonder why nothing is getting done - Mmkay? The system is working as designed. Partisan morons who can't figure it out claiming only their side is pristine as the driven snow and the other side is the evil means nothing gets done.

Mithros said:
The senate has already passed bipartisan immigration reform. The Whitehouse supports it. A majority in the house support it. The problem is what what the problem has been since 2010: a majority of Republicans are either tea party members or live in districts where they are in danger of being primaries by tea party types. They're a small but vocal minority who just so happen to hold enough votes to deny Bohner the speakership. If Boehner were to put reform up for a vote, they'd revolt, install some whackjob speaker and the house would go about shutting the government down, defaulting on our national debt, and cratering the US economy.
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Ahh.. it's all the tea party's fault. You continue to illustrate the problem.

My view is the actual reality: Reid, Bohener and Obama are all to blame. None can be the adult in the room.

THAT is reality.
 
Ockham said:
See and you've just illustrated the problem... one sided blame. So don't wonder why nothing is getting done - Mmkay? The system is working as designed. Partisan morons who can't figure it out claiming only their side is pristine as the driven snow and the other side is the evil means nothing gets done.

Ahh.. it's all the tea party's fault. You continue to illustrate the problem.

My view is the actual reality: Reid, Bohener and Obama are all to blame. None can be the adult in the room.

THAT is reality.
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Did the senate pass bipartisan immigration reform? Yes.
Do a majority of house members support this bill? Yes.
Why doesn't the Boehner bring the bill forward? Fear of tea party rebellion in his party.

Sometimes both sides are to blame, sometimes the problem is purely one sided. In this case the problem is *CLEARLY* the effects that gerrymandering has had on the makeup of the house. It is not possible to effectively govern when a majority of the majority party live in districts in which the only possible challenge is from the more extreme elements of their base. Ignoring that is partisanship.
 
Montecresto said:
Sounds like there's still some racism to be expunged. You can disagree with Obama's politics and policy all day long. You cannot deny that he's far more articulate than Bush, and doesn't embarrass us around the world as he did. Bush not being able to talk well, properly pronounce words or spell.
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I do have to deny because Bush kept our enemies in awe, and our allies trusted America and Bush.

Where as with Obama I don't think there's one ally in the world today who now trust Obama or America. How many allies did Bush throw under the bus ? None.

All you have to do is look at the Middle east and Africa today, it's a complete basket case and it wasn't in 2008.
Look at China today. We are being challenged by China. When China rattled it's saber when Bush was POTUS, Bush responded by putting four Carrier Battle Groups near the Taiwan Straits while at the same time being able to have two CSG's in the 5th Fleet AOR still conducting combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. China quickly stopped rattling the saber and went back to the drawing board, how do we sink four carriers ?

Obama has troubles just keeping two carriers at sea. :lamo

Japan, South Korea, Australia, Philippines, Vietnam, India and the UK are all rebuilding their navies because Obama has allowed our Navy to become a hollow military force unable to go to sea and fight.

Bush didn't spit in the British face by returning the bust of Winston Churchill to the British Embassy. Obama did that.

Bush didn't bow at the waist of every monarch he came in contact with. Obama did that.

World leaders never laughed at Bush. World leaders do laugh at Obama.

Our enemies never laughed at Bush. Our enemies laugh at Obama.

Putin never laughed at or flipped the bird at Bush. Putin does it all the time with Obama.

U.S. Marines weren't ordered to remove the bolts from their rifles during Bush's inauguration parade. Obama did that.

Bush always allowed the military crew of Air Force One to spend Christmas at home with their families. Obama never has.

Bush earned the respect of those who wore the uniform and served under Bush's command as CnC. Obama couldn't earn the respect and probably doesn't give a ****.
 
MrVicchio said:
You people that voted for this man, read the bold part. Read it several times. The border is an unmitigated disaster, he's in Colorado shooting pool.

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Oh my goodness! He played POOL!!!! How DARE he do anything at all but work when we've got a crisis going on!!!! Although one must admit that it doesn't much compare with Dubya's playing golf while our soldiers were fighting and dying in Iraq...and Dubya also spent nearly one-third of his ENTIRE presidency at his ranch or at Camp David or other locations away from the White House.

One can only imagine what the Right would be saying if Obama were spending nearly one-third of his presidency away from the White House....
 
APACHERAT said:
Bush didn't bow at the waist of every monarch he came in contact with. Obama did that.
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No, he was much friendlier.

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Even with Putin...

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Matching pajamas even. Why does it look like George has a stiffy?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Oh my goodness! He played POOL!!!! How DARE he do anything at all but work when we've got a crisis going on!!!! Although one must admit that it doesn't much compare with Dubya's playing golf while our soldiers were fighting and dying in Iraq...and Dubya also spent nearly one-third of his ENTIRE presidency at his ranch or at Camp David or other locations away from the White House.

One can only imagine what the Right would be saying if Obama were spending nearly one-third of his presidency away from the White House....
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We can only imagine what youd say if obama had an -R not -D by his name
 
rocket88 said:
No, he was much friendlier.

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Matching pajamas even. Why does it look like George has a stiffy?
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But Bush didn't bow to a monarch. Not even an American civilian is required to bow to any King or Queen. Something to do with the American Revolution.

I believe every monarch in the world in the past 230 plus years are aware that American citizens are exempt from bowing at the waist.
Proper protocol for an American to recognized a monarch is the lowering of the head or a nod of the head.

I believe back when women were held in high esteem and respected, there was no problem bowing even at the waist to a woman. I have no problem with that but I'm not a lefty ***** and I protect women.
 
MrVicchio said:
We can only imagine what youd say if obama had an -R not -D by his name
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Are you kidding? I didn't have a problem with Bush 43 playing golf while the troops were in Iraq. Everyone - and especially the president, the one with the highest-pressure job on the planet - needs to blow off steam. They'd go crazy otherwise. It's the same reason that even in wartime our Navy ships conduct port visits, and our Army troops and Marines get R&R.

That said, if Obama had an (R) behind his name, considering everything he's done (especially for the economy), the GOP would be calling for his face to be added to Mount Rushmore. When it comes to the immigration issue, for instance, his administration has deported significantly more illegal immigrants than has occurred under any other administration. And while the significant dropoff over the years in illegal immigration has much more to do with economics than with policy, he has increased the number of agents on the border (though it seems the Right would have us think he's decreased the number of agents and opened the borders wide). The current spike with the children is not something that any of us saw coming - if you'll check, it's not only America that is seeing a spike in illegal immigration, but also Mexico, Costa Rica, and Panama, since other Central American nations are having such problems with violence.
 
APACHERAT said:
But Bush didn't bow to a monarch. Not even an American civilian is required to bow to any King or Queen. Something to do with the American Revolution.

I believe every monarch in the world in the past 230 plus years are aware that American citizens are exempt from bowing at the waist.
Proper protocol for an American to recognized a monarch is the lowering of the head or a nod of the head.

I believe back when women were held in high esteem and respected, there was no problem bowing even at the waist to a woman. I have no problem with that but I'm not a lefty ***** and I protect women.
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Really, AR? Do you really understand so little about diplomacy (concerning the Saudi king)? And when it comes to the Japanese emperor, bowing in Japan is not by any means a gesture of fealty, but of courtesy and politeness and is done - and often expected - between two people regardless of station or peerage.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Are you kidding? I didn't have a problem with Bush 43 playing golf while the troops were in Iraq. .
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Of course you didn't have a problem because G.W. Bush gave up playing golf while American troops were still in Iraq.

You're getting old Glen, short time memory loss. :lol:
 
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