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    Re: Obama: No interest in border 'photo op'

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    The point of our system is to have one branch pass something the other branch can live with, in substantial form. If the house can't come up with something the senate can't pass, the house bears substantial blame.
    It's like... reality doesn't exist in your world, rather spin does.
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    Re: Obama: No interest in border 'photo op'

    While Rick Perry is doing photo ops imitating a sulking 6 year old, he's also ignoring several initiatives that are underway, so let's get some facts into this thread, specifically as follows:

    Democrats in congress want increased funding and resources for the Pentagon's Southern Command and the State Department’s Central American Regional Security Initiative.

    For fiscal 2015, the Obama administration requested $130 million for regional security, which covers seven countries. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson has said an additional $161.5 million will be provided for CARSI programs to “respond to the region’s most pressing security and governance challenges.”

    President Obama’s request for foreign assistance to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador totals more than $280 million in fiscal 2015.

    After Vice President Joe Biden met in Guatemala last month with leaders from that country, Mexico, El Salvador and Honduras to address the wave of children crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, he announced $9.6 million in new assistance to Central American governments for repatriation of their citizens, improving security and preventing crime, as well as a series of USAID programs. Under USAID, $40 million dollars will go to Guatemala and $25 million to El Salvador. Under CARSI, an additional $18.5 million will go to Honduras.

    After 9/11, Bush pushed immigration agents to take on more of a national security role, eventually folding them into the Department of Homeland Security in 2003. Spending on federal immigration enforcement spiked by 300 percent between fiscal 2002 and 2013, according to the Migration Policy Institute, and has now reached roughly $17 billion per year.

    The Obama administration has conducted more deportations in 6 years than the President George W. Bush administration did in 8, and has effectively transformed the U.S.-Mexico border. CBP has conducted over 700 missions as part of its drone program.

    Additionally, National Guard troops deployed to the border in 2010 to assist with monitoring continue to operate in that capacity.

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    Triumph of the Will eh. Think again or just think.

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    Re: Obama: No interest in border 'photo op'

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    From what I heard, Harry Reid has already got the word from Obama, make sure the House bill doesn't pass in the Senate if it has any amendments of repealing the 2008 law or securing the border or deporting any illegal aliens.
    Color me surprised.

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    Re: Obama: No interest in border 'photo op'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    From your link!

    White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Perry has accepted an invitation to a group meeting in Dallas that will include local officials and faith leaders.

    "We thought it made sense here to extend an invitation to Gov. Perry, to allow him to participate in that meeting with other Texans who are seeking to address this situation in a constructive manner," Earnest said. "We're looking forward to Gov. Perry participating in that meeting."

    Seems reasonable enough to me. The WH says the Texas trip had a triple purpose, including fundraising. Jesus Christ, unfortunately ALL presidents do fundraising, some presidents cut brush when we think they should be officiating, some play golf, some go fishing while others shoot pool.
    And yet democrats keep criticizing money in politics.

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    Re: Obama: No interest in border 'photo op'

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    They are responsible however for supplying the low-paying jobs for those who immigrate illegally.
    Without those available jobs from big business, there would be no illegal immigration problem.
    Try the illegals employed by Southern farmers .
    Business provides opportunity to illegals and legals. I think it's generally agreed that businesses that knowingly hire illegals should suffer fairly severe consequences. The problem starts at the insecure southern border, however, and not with business.

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    Re: Obama: No interest in border 'photo op'

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Obama isn't a "man," he's a community organizer.
    Well he needs to start getting this very large community called the USA organized.

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    Re: Obama: No interest in border 'photo op'

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    The point of our system is to have one branch pass something the other branch can live with, in substantial form. If the house can't come up with something the senate can't pass, the house bears substantial blame.
    And when the House passes something and the Senate refuses to let it even be discussed on the Senate floor due to nothing but partisan politics, the Senate bears substantial blame. As well, if the President cannot seem to negotiate, lead and compromise with the Congress to get things passed and instead consistently vilifies one side, then is incredulous about how Republicans won't work with him, he bears substantial blame.

    The issue is, our system works when people are willing to work together. No one part of the three parts of government can unilaterally introduce or make changes to laws in this country without the cooperation with the others, and when they attempt to do so, they all deserve blame. Blame is not the problem.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama: No interest in border 'photo op'

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And yet democrats keep criticizing money in politics.
    I guess I miss your point jonny.
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    Re: Obama: No interest in border 'photo op'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's like... reality doesn't exist in your world, rather spin does.
    Sorry, but that is the way it suppose to work and has worked for most of our history. If the house can't get a bill passed that they can get through the Senate, they are incompetent. The reality, of course, is that they are. They are not doing their jobs. This congress has passed the fewest items of legislation in its history; even fewer than the 112th, which most of these guys were members, the previous record holder.

    The least productive Congress ever - The Washington Post

    Being in the minority gives you license to influence outcome; it does not give you license to gum up the system. The Congress has done nothing but play politics. Now that it is time to do something, they do not know how. As a body, they are incompetent. You sir, seem to be an apologist for it; perfectly content with the result.

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    Re: Obama: No interest in border 'photo op'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And when the House passes something and the Senate refuses to let it even be discussed on the Senate floor due to nothing but partisan politics, the Senate bears substantial blame. As well, if the President cannot seem to negotiate, lead and compromise with the Congress to get things passed and instead consistently vilifies one side, then is incredulous about how Republicans won't work with him, he bears substantial blame.

    The issue is, our system works when people are willing to work together. No one part of the three parts of government can unilaterally introduce or make changes to laws in this country without the cooperation with the others, and when they attempt to do so, they all deserve blame. Blame is not the problem.
    It works both ways. The houses need to respect the politics of each other and pass bills in substantial form that can work through the other side. Why, for example, has the house not taken up the immigration bill, which could pass both houses and be signed into law?

    Blame is with the electorate that has elected extreme members into the body and the electorates tolerance for them working with one another. The so-called news channels that crank out party rhetoric 24/7 in an attempt to fan the flames of their audience (and dumb them down) is also a part of this machine that has allowed all of this to happen. As a nation, we need to find more reasonable leadership (in all branches of government)... as our current trend, if left unchecked, will lead to the demise of our system of government.... but, that is another matter.

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