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Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

APACHERAT said:
That's exactly the bill I'm referring to. It was sponsored by a pro illegal alien liberal Democrat.

Unlike Obama, G.W. Bush and every President before him didn't write the laws of our country, that's Congress job. It's the job of POTUS to enforce those laws or be impeached and kicked out of office.

BTW: This may be news for you but G.W. Bush was a pro amnesty kind of guy. Don't you remember back in 2006 when the American people spoke and the phone system in DC collapsed and the McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill was defeated ? I remember. The American people said NO !
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Yes, Obama is the first president in history to write laws :screwy

And you say it's POTUS' job to enforce the law, but you're whining because Obama is enforcing the laws Congress passed and bush* signed
 
Ricatalian said:
Yet how many times has the United States done exactly that? And guess what, it has consequences, and immigration is one ... in the case of Mexico it started when we took half of its territory.
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Half of Mexico's territory? Is it your understanding that the Spanish were native to the area?

The Spanish were murderous thieves who wiped out millions of indigenous people all over Central and South America and much of those despotic habits of the ruling classes remains in evidence today. Why else would these people flee to the United States if it wasn't to escape their ancient Spanish laws and customs?
 
sangha said:
Yes, Obama is the first president in history to write laws :screwy

And you say it's POTUS' job to enforce the law, but you're whining because Obama is enforcing the laws Congress passed and bush* signed
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Obama tells the House to repeal the law while at the same time telling Harry Reid not to allow it to go any further in the Senate.

The law isn't being enforced. The Obama judges are releasing the illegal aliens into society by giving them a court date knowing that over 90% will never show up in court.

How many illegal aliens who ignored their court dates has the Obama administration apprehended ? NONE.
 
APACHERAT said:
The law isn't being enforced. The Obama judges are releasing the illegal aliens into society by giving them a court date knowing that over 90% will never show up in court.
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Releasing them is required by the law.
 
US Conservative said:
I agree. WE DONT WANT THIS, and our govt is ignoring us....
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No one wants kids piling up at the border. But most Americans -- including fiscal conservatives -- do in fact want a better path to citizenship for immigrants, including illegal ones.


Obama wants voters. This will get him an immediate boost amongst hispanics, and loyal democrats when these guys become citizens in years....
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By the same token, we can say that Republicans who repeatedly refuse to work on immigration reform are playing to the conservative base, rather than dealing with this in a humane fashion. See how that works? ;)


Nevermind the costs, health concerns, economy, and the legal immigration system that has been completely bypassed. My father came here legally-after waiting for years to get here-and these punks show up at a fence and get right in? Its not right on so many levels.
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Really? That's your complaint?


Our president should be impeached.
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For what? Moving illegal immigrants to a detention center near your home?

Basically, the law does not allow ICE to perform a "removal" process immediately unless they are Mexican, or if they request asylum. There is nothing illegal about relocating detainees to a place that happens to be near you. Sorry to disappoint your outrage, but: Obama isn't violating any laws here.
 
clownboy said:
Nice stretch. Read the title of the bill and know it's purpose. It was not to keep illegal alien parents in the US generally, but in specific circumstances. Circumstances that do not fit here.

So, that's a fail. Anything else? No? Then you can give up this argument that Obama is faithfully executing law.
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The law says that undocumented aliens who are not from Mexico and surrender to ICE shall be released with a court date
 
Visbek said:
No one wants kids piling up at the border. But most Americans -- including fiscal conservatives -- do in fact want a better path to citizenship for immigrants, including illegal ones.
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No, we don't. Most of us want illegals deported and for us immigration reform means a tighter ship.

Visbek said:
By the same token, we can say that Republicans who repeatedly refuse to work on immigration reform are playing to the conservative base, rather than dealing with this in a humane fashion. See how that works? ;)
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Indeed, they do so because they wish to be re-elected and the people are soundly against what has been suggested for immigration reform. And drop the Sally Struthers routine. Immigration law, as it exists now IS humane. Otherwise there would be no provisions as there are for asylum, refugees or humanitarian efforts (see Haiti for one).

Visbek said:
Really? That's your complaint?
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Yes, ONE of them.

Visbek said:
For what? Moving illegal immigrants to a detention center near your home?

Basically, the law does not allow ICE to perform a "removal" process immediately unless they are Mexican, or if they request asylum. There is nothing illegal about relocating detainees to a place that happens to be near you. Sorry to disappoint your outrage, but: Obama isn't violating any laws here.
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When he talks of letting them walk, yes, yes he is. "Detainees" in this context means DETAINED UNTIL DEPORTATION.
 
sangha said:
The law says that undocumented aliens who are not from Mexico and surrender to ICE shall be released with a court date
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Where, quote it. Again, the law you posted does not apply here.
 
clownboy said:
No, no it's not. Again, name the law. The one you have named does not apply here.
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The one I named

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/08/u...ed-in-law-to-curb-child-trafficking.html?_r=0

Originally pushed by a bipartisan coalition of lawmakers as well as by evangelical groups to combat sex trafficking, the bill gave substantial new protections to children entering the country alone who were not from Mexico or Canada by prohibiting them from being quickly sent back to their country of origin.
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Instead, it required that they be given an opportunity to appear at an immigration hearing and consult with an advocate, and it recommended that they have access to counsel. It also required that they be turned over to the care of the Department of Health and Human Services, and the agency was directed to place the minor “in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child” and to explore reuniting those children with family members.
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APACHERAT said:
Can you provide the statue ?

I get a ticket for a dog who's not even my dog being off the leash and I had to post over $300 bail just to get a court date.
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William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Act
 
clownboy said:
Where, quote it. Again, the law you posted does not apply here.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/08/u...ed-in-law-to-curb-child-trafficking.html?_r=0

Originally pushed by a bipartisan coalition of lawmakers as well as by evangelical groups to combat sex trafficking, the bill gave substantial new protections to children entering the country alone who were not from Mexico or Canada by prohibiting them from being quickly sent back to their country of origin.
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sangha said:
William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Act
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Provide a cut and paste along with a government link where it says that these illegal aliens "must be released" into society without posting bail which every American is usually required to do for even infractions of the law.

There's no statue saying that these illegal aliens can't be kept incarcerated until their court dates.
 
Ricatalian said:
Yet how many times has the United States done exactly that? And guess what, it has consequences, and immigration is one ... in the case of Mexico it started when we took half of its territory.
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I'd respond to this but it looks like you're banned. :shrug: Oh well.
 
APACHERAT said:
Provide a cut and paste along with a government link where it says that these illegal aliens "must be released" into society without posting bail which every American is usually required to do for even infractions of the law.

There's no statue saying that these illegal aliens can't be kept incarcerated until their court dates.
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It doesn't really say that they must be released.

(c) Providing safe and secure placements for children
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(2) Safe and secure placements
Subject to section 279(b)(2) of title 6, an unaccompanied alien child in the custody of the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall be promptly placed in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child. In making such placements, the Secretary may consider danger to self, danger to the community, and risk of flight. Placement of child trafficking victims may include placement in an Unaccompanied Refugee Minor program, pursuant to section 412(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1522(d)), if a suitable family member is not available to provide care. A child shall not be placed in a secure facility absent a determination that the child poses a danger to self or others or has been charged with having committed a criminal offense. The placement of a child in a secure facility shall be reviewed, at a minimum, on a monthly basis, in accordance with procedures prescribed by the Secretary, to determine if such placement remains warranted.
U.S.C. Title 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
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clownboy said:
And once again the bill does not apply here. It is targeted at trafficking. The NY Times piece you posted (must register to view) is their opinion on the law and what it says. You've posted the law, show us how it applies here using the text of the law.
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No, it's not an opinion. It's fact.
 
APACHERAT said:
Provide a cut and paste along with a government link where it says that these illegal aliens "must be released" into society without posting bail which every American is usually required to do for even infractions of the law.

There's no statue saying that these illegal aliens can't be kept incarcerated until their court dates.
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I've posted a link to all the relevant bills (see above) and they aren't released "into society"
 
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