• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

dirtpoorchris said:
They obviously arent alike hence the sarcasm. SImply trying to inject some tolerance and mercy.
Click to expand...

Then why bring it up in the first place? Exactly how was your sarcasm trying to inject tolerance or mercy?

Tolerance and Mercy sound great as buzzwords, but are pretty empty beyond that. Can you give us a list of other illegal activities that you feel we need to be tolerant of, which seemingly based on your definition "tolerance" means "don't punish, and actually abet". Perhaps the government needs to show tolerance to shoplifters and begin to find methods to assit them as well. Mercy, as well, has limits on how much any individual can have. Do you spend every moment of your life attempting to help those in a worse situation? I'm guessing not, because you understand there's a balancing act there and priorities have to be made. Suggesting we need to show "mercy" to every illegal individual flooding through here, and said "mercy" is apparently helping them actively break the law in a more efficient and easy manner is ridiculous.
 
CalGun said:
We used a swat team to do it to a small Cuban boy once and I seem to recall the left was in complete favor of it. The cost? We should sue the child's nation and recover the cost. They can take it out on the criminals who sent their children away for abounding them.



And BTW if one of those children bears a communicable disease leading to a single death in America it should be a high crime for the dictator to be deposed.
Click to expand...

Good luck suing Mexico.

Because that will definitely aid the massive amounts of inter-trade and communication we have with them...

Brilliant dear sir, ****ing brilliant. While we're at it let's sue the whole world because chances are there was a singular illegal immigrant from Britain, one singular illegal immigrant from Japan, China, and chances are someone got a flu from some of them and died.

SUE THE WORLD1111!!!!1111!!!!
 
clownboy said:
They did this to themselves. If their families are being separated, that is all on them.
Click to expand...

I agree. I am not for separating families at all but if they decide to send their children here or leave their children and then try and send for them later, that's their own fault. It's one thing when the parent is illegal and they have a baby who is legal, that's one of the tricky situations we need to fix, but this situation is one where they purposely separated themselves and as you said is all on them.
 
clownboy said:
They did this to themselves. If their families are being separated, that is all on them.
Click to expand...
The "separating families" meme is just a variation of the "poor starving children" meme that has always served them well. In these people's minds logic and reason take a back seat to emotion. Take away the race card and the poor starving children card and they've pretty much got nothing.
 
Zyphlin said:
Then why bring it up in the first place? Exactly how was your sarcasm trying to inject tolerance or mercy?

Tolerance and Mercy sound great as buzzwords, but are pretty empty beyond that. Can you give us a list of other illegal activities that you feel we need to be tolerant of, which seemingly based on your definition "tolerance" means "don't punish, and actually abet". Perhaps the government needs to show tolerance to shoplifters and begin to find methods to assit them as well. Mercy, as well, has limits on how much any individual can have. Do you spend every moment of your life attempting to help those in a worse situation? I'm guessing not, because you understand there's a balancing act there and priorities have to be made. Suggesting we need to show "mercy" to every illegal individual flooding through here, and said "mercy" is apparently helping them actively break the law in a more efficient and easy manner is ridiculous.
Click to expand...
They are only illegal cuz you and some words say they are. They just want a better life. They arent taking anything from you. The best man earns the spot. Its the american way. Maybe the NWO should hurry up and take over so we can get rid of people caring so much about pretend lines on the ground. I just dont get how anyone can turn away kids who are desperate enough to try to flee their own country on foot..... I dont care how justified you think it is.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
They are only illegal cuz you and some words say they are.
Click to expand...

Yes, that's how the law works.

Someone killing you would only be illegaly because some words say they are.

Someone taking something from you would only be illegal because some words say they are.

Someone anal sodomizing you would only be illegal because some words say they are.

Someone ruining your reputation through false claims would only be illegal because some words say they are.

That's what laws are, they're words. What's your point?

They just want a better life.
Click to expand...

So? A desire for a better life does not provide justification for violations of the law.

They arent taking anything from you.
Click to expand...

Well first, this isn't correct because I pay taxes.

Second, someone who steals from you isn't taking anything from me...but I still have a vested interest in that person's actions being illegal because it has an overall effect on society.

Every job someone like this gets is them taking something from someone else. Every one of them in a school is taking something from someone else. Every service they get from a government entityt is them taking something from someone else. Indeed, the gas and expense of transporting them in this story is taking something from someone else.

The best man earns the spot. Its the american way.
Click to expand...

I don't know where you got the idea that cliches and anecdotes are debate, but they're not. Saying catch phrases isn't an argument. First, "best man" is a subjective notion to begin with. Second, no, the best man doesn't always earn the spot. This is evident in multiple ways through out society...from disqualifications (or acceptance) based on race as opposed to resume, to individuals gaining jobs or spots due to who they know rather than what they do or how much they've "earned" it, to individuals in prison who can't "earn" a spot someone whose worse than them at the job gets.

You're allowed to be a bleeding heart. Just don't expect anyone to agree that said bleeding heart is the basis for how national policy should be decided.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Good luck suing Mexico.

Because that will definitely aid the massive amounts of inter-trade and communication we have with them...

Brilliant dear sir, ****ing brilliant. While we're at it let's sue the whole world because chances are there was a singular illegal immigrant from Britain, one singular illegal immigrant from Japan, China, and chances are someone got a flu from some of them and died.

SUE THE WORLD1111!!!!1111!!!!
Click to expand...

The number one by far source of income in mexico is money sent there from the US. The reverse is not true-they will learn very quickly if we make it cost.
 
MrVicchio said:
Are they using ANY resource that's tax payer funded?
Click to expand...

You mean like the gas filling the vehicles, the salaries of those driving the vehicles, the salaries of those processing the paperwork related to those vehicles, and hte vehicles themselves that are being used in this story to deliver said illegals aliens?
 
And deporting them back to wherever they came from will require the assistance of the government of wherever they came from. You can't just send a flight of C-17s or C-130s with people into another country and dump thousands of people on flight lines of airports.

That is one thing that is never covered in these endless rants...
 
Zyphlin said:
You mean like the gas filling the vehicles, the salaries of those driving the vehicles, the salaries of those processing the paperwork related to those vehicles, and hte vehicles themselves that are being used in this story to deliver said illegals aliens?
Click to expand...

Or the schools, the foodstamps, the medical care, the clothing, the anything.

Name another country doing this stupidity, you can't no in all of human history.
 
voyager1 said:
And deporting them back to wherever they came from will require the assistance of the government of wherever they came from. You can't just send a flight of C-17s or C-130s with people into another country and dump thousands of people on flight lines of airports.

That is one thing that is never covered in these endless rants...
Click to expand...
You are right, we fly them commercially. OR we build holding facilities out side their consulates and say "Take care of your PEOPLE."
 
Yes, you need the assistance of the government. However, we have that assistance from many governments and have means of exerting political pressure to get that assistance.

For those instances where we can't, I'm in favor of establishing the lowest allowed detention center as it relates to the conditions and hospitality and utilizing that; or looking into the legalities of utilizing detained criminals for the purposes of public works in which case it would help to rectify some of the financial issues related to the notion of the creation of a border wall.

You go after businesses hard to take away the financial incentive. You make detention for illegal entry, if you can't get deported back to your country, to be a life that is not significantly preferable to what would be in their old country. You make concerted efforts to remove people, ANY people, you find showing that it'll be a continual hassle. And you steam line and improve legal methods of immigration and migrant activity as a means of dealing with the economic needs of this country in regards to that workforce.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
They can receive schooling and only emergency medical care but not welfare or food stamps.
Click to expand...

They do receive welfare, and food stamps.
Los Angeles County officials believe that by the end of 2013 illegal immigrant parents will have received $650 million in welfare benefits for their native-born children, according to a CBS Los Angeles report.

Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich has revealed the most recent Department of Public Works figures showing that through July $376 million in CalWORKS benefits and food stamps have been paid out to illegal immigrant parents, the CBS affiliate reports.

According to the report, about 100,000 children of 60,000 illegal immigrant parents receive about $54 million in welfare payments a month — $20 million in CalWORKs benefits and $34 million in food stamps — up from $53 million in July 2012.



Read more: LA County to pay $650 million in welfare benefits to illegal immigrants | The Daily Caller
Click to expand...
(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today released documents detailing how the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is working with the Mexican government to promote participation by illegal aliens in the U.S. food stamp program.

The promotion of the food stamp program, now known as “SNAP” (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), includes a Spanish-language flyer provided to the Mexican Embassy by the USDA with a statement advising Mexicans in the U.S. that they do not need to declare their immigration status in order to receive financial assistance. Emphasized in bold and underlined, the statement reads, “You need not divulge information regarding your immigration status in seeking this benefit for your children.”

The documents came in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request made to USDA on July 20, 2012. The FOIA request sought: “Any and all records of communication relating to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) to Mexican Americans, Mexican nationals, and migrant communities, including but not limited to, communications with the Mexican government.”
Click to expand...
Judicial Watch Uncovers USDA Records Sponsoring U.S. Food Stamp Program for Illegal Aliens | Judicial Watch

So, there we go. I'm sure you'll find someway to say this is a good thing.
 
MrVicchio said:
When the **** did you start giving a rats ass about national sovereignty?
Click to expand...

Is it hypocritical to claim that illegal immigrants threaten our sovereignty and the violate the sovereignty of another country by building something on their land without their permission?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Is it hypocritical to claim that illegal immigrants threaten our sovereignty and the violate the sovereignty of another country by building something on their land without their permission?
Click to expand...

I don't think he's suggesting that. He seems to be suggesting building things on AMERICAN soil outside those countries consulates here in the US
 
Zyphlin said:
I don't think he's suggesting that. He seems to be suggesting building things on AMERICAN soil outside those countries consulates here in the US
Click to expand...

Yep. I am indeed. However, suddenly the argument for UWS13 is falling apart so it's getting a little out there.
 
MrVicchio said:
They do receive welfare, and food stamps.


Judicial Watch Uncovers USDA Records Sponsoring U.S. Food Stamp Program for Illegal Aliens | Judicial Watch

So, there we go. I'm sure you'll find someway to say this is a good thing.
Click to expand...

"Another theme we've seen: that illegal immigrants are freeloaders taking advantage of federal welfare programs.

Those types of charges are often repeated in anonymous chain e-mails, on blogs and Facebook.

"More than 43 percent of all food stamps are given to illegals," said a typical claim, this one from a Facebook post promoting "10 Illegal Alien Facts."

When PolitiFact researched the numbers, though, we found the claim ridiculously false and rated it Pants on Fire. About 46.4 million people receive food stamps, so 43 percent of that number would be just under 20 million. That significantly exceeds estimates for how many illegal immigrants are in the country. The Pew Hispanic Center put the number at 11.2 million in 2010.

On top of that, most social welfare programs bar illegal immigrants from receiving benefits and require proof of immigration status. That includes food stamps, as well as cash welfare assistance, Medicaid, and even the new health care law.

It's true that some children of illegal immigrants qualify for benefits if they were born in the United States and are citizens. (Critics derisively call them "anchor babies.") But there aren't nearly enough of those types of children -- an estimated 4 million -- to account for 43 percent of food stamp recipients." http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jul/01/fact-checking-immigration/
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom