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Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

Actually 'we' used a SWAT team to enforce a court order to RETURN the child to his FATHER in Cuba- not deport him. 'We' also declare any 'dry feet' Cubans making it to the USofA a CITIZEN with little more than a cursory backround check and damn sure without all that pathway crap and demands we send 'em back where they came from. :doh

While I love the overheated rhetoric the CONs throw about but if the Current President is in fact a dictator AND you believe you own a firearm to 'protect' us from tyrants....

ummm what are YOU waiting for? :confused:

Perhaps they can use that same court order with these illegal arrivals.
 
God job Obama. This is one of the few things that you have done that I am proud of. The more Americans the better. I hope they find a good place in society and make us stronger.
 
I favor rounding up every member of the family and sending all of them back where they belong and they don't belong in America.

I think if what you say comes to pass then all Native Americans should band together and get the UN to kick every immigrant descendant out of north America. It would only be fair. (sarcasm)
 
I think if what you say comes to pass then all Native Americans should band together and get the UN to kick every immigrant descendant out of north America. It would only be fair. (sarcasm)

All ready covered on another thread.

Post #82 -> http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ve-up-their-land-and-go-9.html#post1063493153

>" That's revisionism. Nothing was illegally taken or stolen from North American indigenous population. It was all done legally under the international laws at the time, the same laws that all international laws are based upon today, Vattel's Law of Nations.

England, France, Portugal, Germany, Russia, the United States all used the Law of Nations. (Spain not so much so.) Any competent judge who's not an activist judge who legislates from the bench today has a copy of the "Law of Nations" next to him.

Vattel's Law of Nations, Book 1, Chapter XVlll.

Excerpts:

§ 208. A question on this subject.

>" But it is questioned whether a nation can, by the bare act of taking possession, appropriate to itself countries which it does not really occupy, and thus engross a much greater extent of territory than it is able to people or cultivate. It is not difficult to determine that such a pretension would be an absolute infringement of the natural rights of men, and repugnant to the views of nature, which, having destined the whole earth to supply the wants of mankind in general, gives no nation a right to appropriate to itself a country, except for the purpose of making use of it, and not of hindering others from deriving advantage from it. The law of nations will, therefore, not acknowledge the property and sovereignly of a nation over any uninhabited countries, except those of which it has really taken actual possession, in which it has formed settlements, or of which it makes actual use. in effect, when navigators have met with desert countries in which those of other nations had, in their transient visits, erected some monument to show their having taken possession of them, they have paid as little regard to that empty ceremony as to the regulation of the popes, who divided a great part of the world between the crowns of Castile and Portugal.1

There is another celebrated question, to which the discovery of the New World has principally given rise. It is asked whether a nation may lawfully take possession of some part of a vast country, in which there are none but eratic nations whose scanty population is incapable of occupying the whole? We have already observed (§ 81), in establishing the obligation to cultivate the earth, that those nations cannot exclusively appropriate to themselves more land than they have occasion for, or more than they are able to settle and cultivate. Their unsettled habitation in those immense regions cannot be accounted a true and legal possession; and the people of Europe, too closely pent up at home, finding land of which the savages stood in no particular need, and of which they made no actual and constant use, were lawfully entitled to take possession of it, and settle it with colonies. The earth, as we have already observed, belongs to mankind in general, and was designed to furnish them with subsistence: if each nation had, from the beginning, resolved to appropriate to itself a vast country, that the people might live only by hunting, fishing, and wild fruits, our globe would not be sufficient to maintain a tenth part of its present inhabitants. We do not, therefore, deviate from the views of nature, in confining the Indians within narrower limits, However, we cannot help praising the moderation of the English Puritans who first settled in New England; who, notwithstanding their being furnished with a charter from their sovereign, purchased of the Indians the land of which they intended to take possession.2 This laudable example was followed by William Penn, and the colony of Quakers that he conducted to Pennsylvania..."<

Vattel: The Law of Nations: Book I
 
You do realize how hard that will be, expensive, and inhumane?

We have 250 C-17 cargo jets doing nothing now.............we can deport 28,000 per day with only one flight each.

All of this last mass wave invasion would be gone in 12 days..............

And all you have to do is look at the cost of keeping them here, TRILLIONS. And spending a few million for jet fuel is a bargan.

As for humane....................we cant save the world in 1900, 1915, 1939, nor now.
 
I think if what you say comes to pass then all Native Americans should band together and get the UN to kick every immigrant descendant out of north America. It would only be fair. (sarcasm)

They should have banned together when the first Europeans descended on North America but they didn't. They don't have a legal argument in a court of law.

It comes down having sovereignty and the indigenous Native Americans never had sovereignty over the land they resided in.
 
We have 250 C-17 cargo jets doing nothing now..............

Actually President Obama as CnC grounded 1/3 of our C-17's. 82 of those C-17's are incapable of flying today because Obama believes the Air Force isn't about flying but liberal social engineering. It would take at least six months before the pilots, crew and aircraft were able to fly again.
 
Why? Because they are doing it not at their expense. They are doing it not through the legal system.

Exactly TDS.....Mexico isn't in the Right with this issue at all. Its time we take a harder stance with them. All we need to do is to start sanctioning them. Bet then we will see a change in their policy.
 
Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

Obama continues to refuse to uphold the oath of POTUS and continues to aid and abet illegal aliens at our cost.

If I were to get caught in illegal dumping I would be arrested. Obama is openly dumping poverty, gang bangers, disease and undocumented Democrats in America.

It's wasn't 50,000 but almost 300,000 illegal aliens.

Excerpts:

>" The vast majority of 50,000 unaccompanied youths and children who have illegally crossed the Texas border during the last few months have been successfully delivered by federal agencies to their relatives living in the United States, according to a New York Times article.

A second New York Times article report revealed that officials have caught an additional 240,000 Central American migrants since April, and are transporting many of them to their destinations throughout the United States...


Experts say that President Barack Obama’s administration has failed to close the loopholes and is unlikely to deport more than a small percentage of the illegals, despite the high unemployment rates among American Latino, African-American and white youths, and the strapped budgets of many cities and towns.

The president’s policy has caused protests by frightened citizens in towns such as Murrieta. But Obama’s allies — such as La Raza, an ethnic lobby for Latinos — are eager to escalate the conflict and to paint the protestors as racists. Those protests may escalate before the November elections...



Both New York Times articles described the border-crossing illegal aliens as “immigrants.” In fact, “immigrants” is the term for people who legally migrate into the United States...




Few of the illegal immigrants are high-school graduates, or have skills that would allow them to earn more than they cost to federal, state and local taxpayers...


All of it -> Border Meltdown; Obama Delivers 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes | The Daily Caller

Im fuming. Murrieta is a 15 minute drive from me. Obama is trying to get himself impeached letting in all of these undocumented democrats.


And check this...some hornrimmed ****ing lib destroys US flags, including burning them.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...ag-Burned-at-Murrieta-Protests-on-4th-of-July
 
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Your in favor of separating families?

You know exactly what you are doing. They separated their families, nobody else. My father came here legally, why can't they?

Oh thats right-because that wouldnt help leftists get a nice base of dependents from which to get their political power.

You really should be careful with the word games, son.
 
Mornin USC. :2wave: Yeah I heard that Protest down in California. For and against that they had to break up. Some arrests too.

All on the 4th.

I almost went down there, but is was hot as balls and the word was the buses were cancelled. Im ****ing fuming, catch the video at that link.
And others were saying **** American in spanish. Yeah Im not cool with that.
 
I almost went down there, but is was hot as balls and the word was the buses were cancelled. Im ****ing fuming, catch the video at that link.
And others were saying **** American in spanish. Yeah Im not cool with that.


Yeah well they shouldn't be burning OUR Flags on that Fence. Were there any Vets down there?

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Yeah well they shouldn't be burning OUR Flags on that Fence. Were there any Vets down there?

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Id be surprised if there werent. Im reminded of a few years back when they did all the parades, with mexican flags, and demanding amnesty in spanish.
:doh
 
Id be surprised if there werent. Im reminded of a few years back when they did all the parades, with mexican flags, and demanding amnesty in spanish.
:doh



Worse is New Mexico.....they are able to get thru in waves.

Then Last week on June 27th in Arizona.




Border Patrol agents were fired upon by Mexican military helicopters that traveled across the border early Thursday morning, reports News 4 Tucson.

According to Art del Cueto, Border Patrol Tucson Sector union president, sometime between 12 am and 6 pm at least one helicopter unexpectedly crossed into U.S. territory, used lethal force against two U.S. Border Patrol agents, and then immediately returned back to Mexico. The astonishing incident happened on the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation in southwestern Arizona. Thankfully, both Border Patrol agents were unharmed.

Almost immediately afterward, Mexican officials contacted U.S. authorities to sincerely apologize for the incident. And according to U.S. Border Patrol spokesperson Andy Adame, it turns out that the helicopter was manned by law enforcement agents who were on a "drug interdiction operation.".....snip~
 
They should have banned together when the first Europeans descended on North America but they didn't. They don't have a legal argument in a court of law.

It comes down having sovereignty and the indigenous Native Americans never had sovereignty over the land they resided in.

... lol whatever you gotta tell yourself.
 
I think if what you say comes to pass then all Native Americans should band together and get the UN to kick every immigrant descendant out of north America. It would only be fair. (sarcasm)

So you're comparing what's happening with illegal immigrants today to what occure day to that of colonial age?

Okay. So you acknowledge that they're invaders attempting to conquer the United States, as opposed to immigrnats simply attempting to integrate into our society?

Because if not, there's not really a comparison there. The early settlers and forward essentially invaded and conquered this land. They did not integrate with the Native Americans but simply pushed them out and took their land. This is the means of land aquisition on a country level for much of this worlds history. If that is what these illegal aliens are doing then your comparison is apt, and we should react to them as we would any other invading force. If they are not invading, then it is not similar to what we did with the native americans and the comparison is apt.

So you tell me chris, since you're making the claim...are the illegal aliens entering this country an invading force of conquerers, or is their situation one significantly and sizably different than that of the native americans and early settlers?
 
Exactly TDS.....Mexico isn't in the Right with this issue at all. Its time we take a harder stance with them. All we need to do is to start sanctioning them. Bet then we will see a change in their policy.

You cant sanction someone for citizens committing a crime. Its like someone sanctioning us because we have a lot of drug use.
 
Worse is New Mexico.....they are able to get thru in waves.

Then Last week on June 27th in Arizona.




Border Patrol agents were fired upon by Mexican military helicopters that traveled across the border early Thursday morning, reports News 4 Tucson.

According to Art del Cueto, Border Patrol Tucson Sector union president, sometime between 12 am and 6 pm at least one helicopter unexpectedly crossed into U.S. territory, used lethal force against two U.S. Border Patrol agents, and then immediately returned back to Mexico. The astonishing incident happened on the Tohono O'odham Indian Reservation in southwestern Arizona. Thankfully, both Border Patrol agents were unharmed.

Almost immediately afterward, Mexican officials contacted U.S. authorities to sincerely apologize for the incident. And according to U.S. Border Patrol spokesperson Andy Adame, it turns out that the helicopter was manned by law enforcement agents who were on a "drug interdiction operation.".....snip~


What happened seems to be in dispute, so I'm not sure of the facts.

Mexican official says chopper didn't cross border

PHOENIX -- A top Mexican official Friday denied a report by Customs and Border Protection that a Mexican helicopter crossed the border into Arizona and fired shots near U.S. agents Thursday.
Tomas Zeron de Lucio, senior director of the Criminal Investigation Agency of the Mexican Attorney General's Office, said in a statement that the helicopter was taking part in a raid on a ranch near the border being used by a criminal organization to smuggle drugs and illegal immigrants across the border into the United States.
… "I don't believe we crossed the border, because we had our (navigation devices), but it was exactly 100 meters from the border," he said, according to a transcript of a conference he held with reporters in Mexico City. Mexican official says chopper didn't cross border

Mexican Helicopter Crosses U.S. Border, Fires on Border Patrol

A Mexican helicopter that crossed into Arizona and fired on US border agents on Thursday appears to have done so accidentally, a US government official told NBC News.
In a brief statement, Customs and Border Protection said that a Mexican helicopter crossed approximately 100 yards north into Arizona on Thursday morning. Two shots were fired from the helicopter, which was on a law enforcement operation.

The official described the rounds as “warning shots,” and said they were fired at two border agents sitting in an unmarked car. When the Mexicans realized what happened, they landed the helicopter and apologized profusely. Mexican Helicopter Crosses U.S. Border, Fires on Border Patrol - NBC News

Mexico denies claims that a police helicopter opened fire on American soil near U.S. border agents

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: Friday, June 27, 2014, 5:34 PM

A Mexican law enforcement chopper crossed about 100 yards north into the Arizona desert, the U.S. Border Patrol said in a statement. The helicopter then fired two shots on the Tohono O’Odham Indian Nation, which sits on the border. Border patrol union leaders say the Mexicans fired at agents but that none of them were hurt.
Mexico denies claims that a police helicopter opened fire on American soil near U.S. border agents - NY Daily News
 
So you're comparing what's happening with illegal immigrants today to what occure day to that of colonial age?

Okay. So you acknowledge that they're invaders attempting to conquer the United States, as opposed to immigrnats simply attempting to integrate into our society?

Because if not, there's not really a comparison there. The early settlers and forward essentially invaded and conquered this land. They did not integrate with the Native Americans but simply pushed them out and took their land. This is the means of land aquisition on a country level for much of this worlds history. If that is what these illegal aliens are doing then your comparison is apt, and we should react to them as we would any other invading force. If they are not invading, then it is not similar to what we did with the native americans and the comparison is apt.

So you tell me chris, since you're making the claim...are the illegal aliens entering this country an invading force of conquerers, or is their situation one significantly and sizably different than that of the native americans and early settlers?

They obviously arent alike hence the sarcasm. SImply trying to inject some tolerance and mercy.
 
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