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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I know they intentionally wrote the law so that it prohibits unaccompanied alien minors (from non-contigous nations) from being immediately deported
    To deal with sex trafficking. Funny how that keeps slipping through the cracks with you, being as it's in big bold letters on every link you post concerning the law.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Is this a joke?

    You do understand that the recent surge in illegal immigrants are not from Mexico, right?

    You do understand that the stuff you're saying is xenophobic nonsense, right?



    Right. So, instead of them coming here, we're going to what, annex the land upon which millions of Mexicans live?

    How far "south" do we need to go to make a "defensible" border? Are you even remotely familiar with Mexico's geography?

    Dude. There's nearly 11 million illegal immigrants in the US. That's the population of Ohio. It requires a little more than "rounding up people at Walmart."

    Plus, there's this pesky thing called "due process." We can't handle the 360,000 people already slated for court cases -- hence the problems. How long will it take us to kick out 2 million people? How much will it cost?

    Egads.

    Why don't we just turn the US into a police state, and tattoo bar codes on our wrists? I'm sure that will work.
    I agree, and will just add the current freakout seems to ignore that of the 11-12 million illegals here, about 11-12 million of them arrived here BEFORE Obama became POTUS. Roughly 500,000 per year, every year, from about 1990-2008. I'm not pointing that out to cheer Obama's efforts - most of the pause was due to the Great Recession and not enough work to make it worthwhile to come here, but the point is at WORST his record is no different in any material way than Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush II have done on the border, which is not much, but a long history of increasing money and attention to the border.
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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    To deal with sex trafficking.
    Wrong.

    The text I quoted deals with unaccompanied alien minors and is intended to deal with unaccompanied alien minors.

    It even says so in the text I quoted.

    And here's the opening words of the original bill
    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/106/hr3244/text
    To combat trafficking in persons, especially into the sex trade, slavery, and involuntary servitude, to reauthorize certain Federal programs to prevent violence against women, and for other purposes.
    Note how it's not limited to sex trafficking, as you dishonestly claim. It was intended to deal with all trafficking in persons.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, the law is well-supported which is why it passed both halves of Congress with near unanimous votes. What isn't so popular is paying for it.

    With funding, we could build the facilities to house these immigrants and hire the judges needed to hear their cases in a speedy manner. The faster the courts could hear their cases, the faster they could be deported back to their home countries.

    But some people don't want to spend money to fix this problem. Maybe they think it can be done for free.
    The law was well supported but its unintended consequences aren't. It should be re-written and most agree with that.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The law was well supported but its unintended consequences aren't. It should be re-written and most agree with that.
    Then the house has the perfect opertunity to pass s.744 which passed the senate in 2013 and is currently stuck in the house?
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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Of course it's all deliberate. To be sure, he likes this law so is choosing to follow it.

    But since I like it when the President follows the law, I'm not going to complain about it. I wish he'd do it more often, but ....

    As far as changing the law, that's not likely between now and the election.
    I agree that all Presidents fallow the law and Barrack Obama has decided to follow one of them now, though not all of it of course.

    But promising free entry for illegal aliens to the States and free food after they arrive (and now free transportation) is a deliberate strategy by this administration, and we seem to agree on that..

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Wrong.

    The text I quoted deals with unaccompanied alien minors and is intended to deal with unaccompanied alien minors.

    It even says so in the text I quoted.

    And here's the opening words of the original bill
    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/106/hr3244/text


    Note how it's not limited to sex trafficking, as you dishonestly claim. It was intended to deal with all trafficking in persons.
    Wrong again and you prove it with yet another link to the same bill. Once again you ignore the big bold letters at the top of the link:

    Text of the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act of 2000
    And nice try, going with the change what I said tactic hoping I wouldn't notice. I specifically have said the bill's intent was to deal with trafficking.

    Look, give it up. You know the intent of the legislation and are busy trying to stretch it to apply here. It doesn't.
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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The law was well supported but its unintended consequences aren't. It should be re-written and most agree with that.
    No, most don't agree with that. Most don't even understand what the law is
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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Wrong again and you prove it with yet another link to the same bill. Once again you ignore the big bold letters at the top of the link:
    You should read that again. The first words of the title are "Victims of Trafficking", not "Victims of Sex Trafficking"

    Unaccompanied alien minors are victims of trafficking
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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Wrong again and you prove it with yet another link to the same bill. Once again you ignore the big bold letters at the top of the link:
    And the possible solution is currently collecting dust in the house.

    It is called s.744
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