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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    When I said what caused the big divide between the Republican and Democrat parties, China played a major role and so did the Korean War, the firing of Gen. MacArthur and a few other things.

    I want to point out that both Republicans and Democrats were both patriotic, even the liberals in America were nationalistic and anti commie and anti socialist. In fact from the fall of Nationalist China to 1970 it was who was a bigger hawk, who was tougher against communism. JFK was an anti communist big time and a hawk. His brother Bobby Kennedy was one of the biggest hawks in Washington. Bobby wore two hats in the JFk administration, the Attorney General and he was in charge of CIA special ops.

    But the divide started in 1952 when the Republicans got dirty.

    >" The Republican right divided all Democrats into five categories: The Criminals, the traitors, the cowards, the incompetents who always blundered into war. And the effete who lacked sufficient vigor to invade China and conquer it."<

    (The above is from a history book we were required to read back in college over forty years ago.)

    But I digress, if I continued it would be thread drift and it should be in a Vietnam War thread not this thread.

    To get back on track, it was Obama's failure or refusing to secure our borders, refusing to enforce our immigration laws and going around Congress and writing his own immigration polices using executive orders why this thread exist today. Obama created the illegal alien jihad at the border and instead of stopping it he's relocating the illegal Allen jihad throughout our neighborhoods in America and the taxpayers will be footing the cost.
    Cant say I vote for either party. I barely care about the USA in general. I figure it is a debacle either way and that the best thing is to enjoy being from a weird nation like the USA and to live the strange life as a wacked out weirdo that is the true essense of the American dream, not owrrying about immigrants or becoming middle class car owner Christian, but degenerating and losing touch with the reality of the world, becoming a mutant-freak. This is my American dream.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So do you want him to follow the laws, or do you just disagree with which laws he picks and chooses?
    Call me old-fashioned, but I think the President should following existing laws, or try to have them changed through the Constitutional process.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Call me old-fashioned, but I think the President should following existing laws, or try to have them changed through the Constitutional process.
    Which is what's happening here. In 2008 a bill was passed and signed into law that makes different rules for Central America than there are for Mexico.

    Now what some things mean in that law may be unclear...but that's for better legal minds than mine to judge. If, as you say, you want the President to follow the law him doing so shouldn't be a matter of disagreement. You may not like the law, but that's something else altogether.


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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Which is what's happening here. In 2008 a bill was passed and signed into law that makes different rules for Central America than there are for Mexico.

    Now what some things mean in that law may be unclear...but that's for better legal minds than mine to judge. If, as you say, you want the President to follow the law him doing so shouldn't be a matter of disagreement. You may not like the law, but that's something else altogether.
    No one seems to like this law, which was passed to defend children being sexually exploited, and it can be changed rather quickly. Obama, despite having changed or ignored other laws, does not seem to have the same interest here. Certainly these laws are being exploited and the message being sent out is two-fold. One is that you can enter America and not be turned back and Two is that you'll get free food after you arrive. Judicial Watch Uncovers USDA Records Sponsoring U.S. Food Stamp Program for Illegal Aliens | Judicial Watch

    My feeling is that all of this is deliberate.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No one seems to like this law
    Actually, the law is well-supported which is why it passed both halves of Congress with near unanimous votes. What isn't so popular is paying for it.

    With funding, we could build the facilities to house these immigrants and hire the judges needed to hear their cases in a speedy manner. The faster the courts could hear their cases, the faster they could be deported back to their home countries.

    But some people don't want to spend money to fix this problem. Maybe they think it can be done for free.
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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I'm pretty sure the text I referred to was included intentionally and didn't insert itself into the bill accidentally.
    Nice try at the spin, but that text was not intended to apply to this current situation. You know this.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No one seems to like this law, which was passed to defend children being sexually exploited, and it can be changed rather quickly. Obama, despite having changed or ignored other laws, does not seem to have the same interest here. Certainly these laws are being exploited and the message being sent out is two-fold. One is that you can enter America and not be turned back and Two is that you'll get free food after you arrive. Judicial Watch Uncovers USDA Records Sponsoring U.S. Food Stamp Program for Illegal Aliens | Judicial Watch

    My feeling is that all of this is deliberate.
    Of course it's all deliberate. To be sure, he likes this law so is choosing to follow it.

    But since I like it when the President follows the law, I'm not going to complain about it. I wish he'd do it more often, but ....

    As far as changing the law, that's not likely between now and the election.


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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No one seems to like this law, which was passed to defend children being sexually exploited, and it can be changed rather quickly. Obama, despite having changed or ignored other laws, does not seem to have the same interest here. Certainly these laws are being exploited and the message being sent out is two-fold. One is that you can enter America and not be turned back and Two is that you'll get free food after you arrive. Judicial Watch Uncovers USDA Records Sponsoring U.S. Food Stamp Program for Illegal Aliens | Judicial Watch

    My feeling is that all of this is deliberate.
    You know there was a bill that would address the 2008 law.

    It is called s.744 and it passed the senate last year and is currently in the house.
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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Which is what's happening here. In 2008 a bill was passed and signed into law that makes different rules for Central America than there are for Mexico.

    Now what some things mean in that law may be unclear...but that's for better legal minds than mine to judge. If, as you say, you want the President to follow the law him doing so shouldn't be a matter of disagreement. You may not like the law, but that's something else altogether.
    Nice try, but no cigar. That law was intended to address the huge problem of human trafficking. It was never meant to cover the current situation. You know it, or should and Obama definitely does.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nice try at the spin, but that text was not intended to apply to this current situation. You know this.
    I know they intentionally wrote the law so that it prohibits unaccompanied alien minors (from non-contigous nations) from being immediately deported
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