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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    What about Excuative Order 12324 ?

    Executive Order 12324 - Interdiction of Illegal Aliens

    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and statutes of the United States of America, including Sections 212(f) and 215(a)(1) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as amended (8 U.S.C. 1182(f) and 1185(a)(1)), in view of the continuing problem of migrants coming to the United States, by sea, without necessary entry documents, and in order to carry out the suspension and interdiction of such entry which have concurrently been proclaimed, it is hereby ordered as follows:

    Section 1. The Secretary of State shall undertake to enter into, on behalf of the United States, cooperative arrangements with appropriate foreign governments for the purpose of preventing illegal migration to the United States by sea.

    Sec. 2. (a) The Secretary of the Department in which the Coast Guard is operating shall issue appropriate instructions to the Coast Guard in order to enforce the suspension of the entry of undocumented aliens and the interdiction of any defined vessel carrying such aliens.

    (b) Those instructions shall apply to any of the following defined vessels:

    (1) Vessels of the United States, meaning any vessel documented under the laws of the United States, or numbered as provided by the Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971, as amended (46 U.S.C. 1451 et seq.), or owned in whole or in part by the United States, a citizen of the United States, or a corporation incorporated under the laws of the United States or any State, Territory, District, Commonwealth, or possession thereof, unless the vessel has been granted nationality by a foreign nation in accord with Article 5 of the Convention on the High Seas of 1958 (U.S. TIAS 5200; 13 UST 2312).

    (2) Vessels without nationality or vessels assimilated to vessels without nationality in accordance with paragraph (2) of Article 6 of the Convention on the High Seas of 1958 (U.S. TIAS 5200; 13 UST 2312).

    (3) Vessels of foreign nations with whom we have arrangements authorizing the United States to stop and board such vessels.

    (c) Those instructions to the Coast Guard shall include appropriate directives providing for the Coast Guard:

    (1) To stop and board defined vessels, when there is reason to believe that such vessels are engaged in the irregular transportation of persons or violations of United States law or the law of a country with which the United States has an arrangement authorizing such action.

    (2) To make inquiries of those on board, examine documents and take such actions as are necessary to establish the registry, condition and destination of the vessel and the status of those on board the vessel.

    (3) To return the vessel and its passengers to the country from which it came, when there is reason to believe that an offense is being committed against the United States immigration laws, or appropriate laws of a foreign country with which we have an arrangement to assist; provided, however, that no person who is a refugee will be returned without his consent.

    (d) These actions, pursuant to this Section, are authorized to be undertaken only outside the territorial waters of the United States.

    Sec. 3. The Attorney General shall, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of the Department in which the Coast Guard is operating, take whatever steps are necessary to ensure the fair enforcement of our laws relating to immigration (including effective implementation of this Executive Order) and the strict observance of our international obligations concerning those who genuinely flee persecution in their homeland.

    RONALD REAGAN
    The White House,
    September 29, 1981.

    [Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 11:38 a.m., September 30, 1981]


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    Citation: Ronald Reagan: "Executive Order 12324 - Interdiction of Illegal Aliens," September 29, 1981

    Ronald Reagan: Executive Order 12324 - Interdiction of Illegal Aliens

    Excuse me i meant Reagan Executive Order 12582


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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Of course. People are in this country and our policies withhold families from being united based on border lines.
    Stupidity redefined...
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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    There is no charge for their movements out. It's for returning them to where they belong. They do not belong here.

    As for disease. Ask the doctors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So we should sue a nation because of people left that country? Since when was a country responsible for the free movement of their citizens?



    Oh yes all immigrants are now diseased ridden peoples. So since you are worried about the health of people should we lax our immigration policies because it will allow us to make sure vaccinations are taking place?

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Excuse me i meant Reagan Executive Order 12582

    You didn't like Reagan's Execuative Order 12324 did you ?

    Re: Regan's Executive Order 12582--Naturalization requirements exceptions for aliens and non-citizen nationals of the United States who served in the Grenada campaign

    Executive Orders

    Execuative Order 12582 deals with legal aliens not illegal aliens.
    It a criminal offense for an illegal alien to serve in the U.S. military.

    You are aware that -> Revocation of Executive Order No. 12582

    Title 3--
    The President
    Executive Order 12913 of May 2, 1994


    Revocation of Executive Order No. 12582

    By the authority vested in me as President by the
    Constitution and laws of the United States of America,
    including section 1440 of title 8, United States Code,
    and in consideration of Matter of Reyes, 910 F.2d 611
    (9th Cir. 1990), I hereby order as follows:

    Section 1. Executive Order No. 12582 is revoked and
    shall be treated as void, effective February 2, 1987.

    Sec. 2. Revocation of Executive Order No. 12582 is not
    intended to affect the status of anyone who was
    naturalized pursuant to the terms of that order prior
    to the date of publication of this order in the Federal
    Register.

    Federal Register, Volume 59 Issue 85 (Wednesday, May 4, 1994)

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    We used a swat team to do it to a small Cuban boy once and I seem to recall the left was in complete favor of it.
    Exactly. Bill Clinton and Janet Reno returned a child whose mother died while trying to escape from Cuba. Elián González affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Leftist morals, such as they are, tend to change in accordance with their leadership.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Actually 'we' used a SWAT team to enforce a court order to RETURN the child to his FATHER in Cuba- not deport him. 'We' also declare any 'dry feet' Cubans making it to the USofA a CITIZEN with little more than a cursory backround check and damn sure without all that pathway crap and demands we send 'em back where they came from.

    While I love the overheated rhetoric the CONs throw about but if the Current President is in fact a dictator AND you believe you own a firearm to 'protect' us from tyrants....

    ummm what are YOU waiting for?
    Perhaps they can use that same court order with these illegal arrivals.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    God job Obama. This is one of the few things that you have done that I am proud of. The more Americans the better. I hope they find a good place in society and make us stronger.
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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I favor rounding up every member of the family and sending all of them back where they belong and they don't belong in America.
    I think if what you say comes to pass then all Native Americans should band together and get the UN to kick every immigrant descendant out of north America. It would only be fair. (sarcasm)
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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I think if what you say comes to pass then all Native Americans should band together and get the UN to kick every immigrant descendant out of north America. It would only be fair. (sarcasm)
    All ready covered on another thread.

    Post #82 -> http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063493153

    >" That's revisionism. Nothing was illegally taken or stolen from North American indigenous population. It was all done legally under the international laws at the time, the same laws that all international laws are based upon today, Vattel's Law of Nations.

    England, France, Portugal, Germany, Russia, the United States all used the Law of Nations. (Spain not so much so.) Any competent judge who's not an activist judge who legislates from the bench today has a copy of the "Law of Nations" next to him.

    Vattel's Law of Nations, Book 1, Chapter XVlll.

    Excerpts:

    § 208. A question on this subject.

    >" But it is questioned whether a nation can, by the bare act of taking possession, appropriate to itself countries which it does not really occupy, and thus engross a much greater extent of territory than it is able to people or cultivate. It is not difficult to determine that such a pretension would be an absolute infringement of the natural rights of men, and repugnant to the views of nature, which, having destined the whole earth to supply the wants of mankind in general, gives no nation a right to appropriate to itself a country, except for the purpose of making use of it, and not of hindering others from deriving advantage from it. The law of nations will, therefore, not acknowledge the property and sovereignly of a nation over any uninhabited countries, except those of which it has really taken actual possession, in which it has formed settlements, or of which it makes actual use. in effect, when navigators have met with desert countries in which those of other nations had, in their transient visits, erected some monument to show their having taken possession of them, they have paid as little regard to that empty ceremony as to the regulation of the popes, who divided a great part of the world between the crowns of Castile and Portugal.1

    There is another celebrated question, to which the discovery of the New World has principally given rise. It is asked whether a nation may lawfully take possession of some part of a vast country, in which there are none but eratic nations whose scanty population is incapable of occupying the whole? We have already observed (§ 81), in establishing the obligation to cultivate the earth, that those nations cannot exclusively appropriate to themselves more land than they have occasion for, or more than they are able to settle and cultivate. Their unsettled habitation in those immense regions cannot be accounted a true and legal possession; and the people of Europe, too closely pent up at home, finding land of which the savages stood in no particular need, and of which they made no actual and constant use, were lawfully entitled to take possession of it, and settle it with colonies. The earth, as we have already observed, belongs to mankind in general, and was designed to furnish them with subsistence: if each nation had, from the beginning, resolved to appropriate to itself a vast country, that the people might live only by hunting, fishing, and wild fruits, our globe would not be sufficient to maintain a tenth part of its present inhabitants. We do not, therefore, deviate from the views of nature, in confining the Indians within narrower limits, However, we cannot help praising the moderation of the English Puritans who first settled in New England; who, notwithstanding their being furnished with a charter from their sovereign, purchased of the Indians the land of which they intended to take possession.2 This laudable example was followed by William Penn, and the colony of Quakers that he conducted to Pennsylvania..."<

    Vattel: The Law of Nations: Book I

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