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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Is "strawman" new to you and you don't know the meaning?

    There is war and violence in their countries, asylum could be legally possible, and if it isn't they can be deported when that is determined.

    Are you an immigration lawyer, or is it just "Obama BAD?"
    nope you are distorting the argument and what i said into something else then you are arguing against the distortion.
    nope there is no war. violence is everywhere that is not a reason for aslyum to the US.

    then they can ask for alsyum the correct legal way instead of cross the border illegally. there is a legal way to do it and an illegal way to do it.
    they are doing it the illegal way which gives them 0 standing to ask for anything.

    they have broken the laws of this country by crossing our border without permission which means they have committed a crime.
    any president that allows an invasion of this country is a bad president.

    as i said if you think they should be here then we will ship them to your residents and you and others like you can take care of them and foot the bill for them to be here. i will wait your objection to this which i know you will have.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Did this "pro illegal" democrat pull a gun on Bush and force him to sign the bill?
    I guess you couldn't comprehend the difference between Obama and every President who served before him.

    Let me put it this way, Congress legislates and the President enforces.

    Unknown to the current President, the President can't have it his way every time. The President isn't a monarch king.

    A perfect example would be the Simpson-Mozzoli Act aka IRA of 1986 or better known as "amnesty." It was the Democrats who put an amendment into the IRC rewarding law breakers with amnesty. Reagan felt uncomfortable with the amnesty amendment being added to the bill, Reagan wanted an enforcement bill and nothing else. But Reagan wasn't a king and knew what compromising was. Besides the Democrats said that the amnesty of rewarding criminality would be a one time thing and never repeated again. They seem to have lied because six more amnesties were passed during the Clinton administration.

    Hey Texmex, are you tired of always being lied to by the left ? I sure am.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Again, I have posted several links confirming that my claim is true. Another poster quoted actual text from the law which describes how the children are to be placed and not detained or immediately returned back to their home countries. The only "rebuttal" I've seen so far is "Nuh-uh" worded in a variety of ways.

    And if the adults are women, and many are women, they are protected under Division B of the act.
    And each time failed to notice that the law applies specifically to trafficking victims, which is not the case here.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by 29A View Post
    Anyone can say "laws", but I was hoping for something more specific, for instance the name of the law, applicable punishments, etc.

    Strangely, I cannot find "improper entry by alien" or the procedure for dealing with it in Title 18.

    8 U.S.C. 1231. details the detention and removal of aliens ordered removed.
    Crossing U.S. Borders | Homeland Security

    A synopsis from DHS.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Hey Texmex, are you tired of always being lied to by the left ? I sure am.


    "...an incident that took place during the 1948 Presidential election campaign. In Harrisburg, Illinois, Truman delivered a speech attacking the Republicans. During the speech a supporter yelled out "Give 'em Hell, Harry!". Truman replied, "I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's Hell."

    President Truman was talking about the republicans.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post


    "...an incident that took place during the 1948 Presidential election campaign. In Harrisburg, Illinois, Truman delivered a speech attacking the Republicans. During the speech a supporter yelled out "Give 'em Hell, Harry!". Truman replied, "I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's Hell."

    President Truman was talking about the republicans.
    Was that before or after Truman lost China to the communist ?

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So doing some more research. The June 22nd article from CNN seems to be intentionally vague in regards to the immigration status of the "immigrant mother" that's being talked about. Throughout it keeps referencing "Central American Families" with little inidcation of the legal status of those families except for this blurb which suggest that they are families ILLEGALLY here:



    That is the only mention of the legal status anywhere in the article, and suggest that the status CURRENTLY is NOT legal since they "hope" they can obtain legal status by sending their children to themselves.

    The July 3rd New York Times story has an immigration official suggesting that they'll be taken to "non-criminal" relatives, which is a bit ambiguous to the situation as well since we've heard often that simply being here illegally isn't a felony and thus some suggest they are not "criminal".

    The legitimacy of the notion that the parents are legally here is also questionable given the fact that they could bring their children into this country LEGALLY if that was the case, without paying for coyotes or causing them to take the dangerous route of being smuggled across the board. Why is that?



    If they're being delivered to LEGAL parents LEGAL residing in the US, why in the world did they go about ILLEGAL entry that is dangerous, risky, and potentially costly? IF those parents are legally here then it begins to bring to question whether or not they are a safe household to deliver the chlidren to, as they chose to have their child undergo an extremely dangerous endevour either alone or with a criminal instead of simply legally bringing them in.

    At best, it seems that the immigration status of the families once found simply aren't being checked...which begs a whole lot of questions when the argument for why this MUST happen is that Obama MUST follow the law to the T. One would assume that such a check SHOULD be done considering that the law demands that the person it's being turned over to has their identity checked (and how can one verify who the person is if there's no official record of them) and requiring that it be investigated that the individual is not engaging in activity that would put the child at risk (which being here illegally, or more specifically if you want a higher crime WORKING here fraudulently and illegally).
    I can see why you might think it's saying that the family the child is with is not here legally, but it's not clear. The hope they speak of may be the families hope that the child will be naturalized.

    As far as your later point, about the child's parent being a citizen, I'll note two things. One is that there is a difference between a parent that is here legally, and a parent that is a citizen. The parent can be here legally, but not be a citizen which may (I don't) mean that the child can come here.

    Also, it refers to parents while my understanding is that these children are often being placed with "family". That can mean aunt, uncle, cousin or whatever. It doesn't necessarily refer to a parent.
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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Was that before or after Truman lost China to the communist ?
    How can an American lose China land to communism? China is not his possession to lose. Neither is Latin America. You must suffer from Conservative Entitlement disorder. This is a mental problem conservatives have where they feel entitled to ownership and control of the whole world. Many Democrats suffer from it as well, like when Obama bombed Libya. American Entitlement Disorder.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And each time failed to notice that the law applies specifically to trafficking victims, which is not the case here.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063507691
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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Was that before or after Truman lost China to the communist ?
    Don't worry. Nixon went to China and sucked his way back into their good graces.

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