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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    That particular law is about human trafficking. It does not apply here. Do you not know what "Human trafficking" means?
    I have posted several links to the laws, newspaper articles and even to a republican admitting that the law applies
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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I have posted several links to the laws, newspaper articles and even to a republican admitting that the law applies
    Linking to the law does not mean it applies to an illegal alien willingly crossing the border. News papers sure as hell are not lawyers. As for the republican? Who cares? Did you really think that just because some stupid politician said something I'm going to take their word for it? As I recall Bush said it was perfectly legal to torture people. He's a republican...you going to take his word for it also?

    Besides, even assuming if you are right, this particular thread also points out that what's going on involves more than just children. But also a lot of adult illegal aliens also. None of what you posted refers to them.
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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The right constantly complains that Obama ignores the law except when they complain that Obama is following the law.
    Yep. I noted the same thing. In a thread complaining about the polarization, I was informed that Obama only followed the law when it fit his ideological and political positions.

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    I'm complaining because Obama and his cohorts refused to follow previous laws concerning immigration reform and now, since the law fits more to their ideology, they demand the law be followed... quite hypocritical and political.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Linking to the law does not mean it applies to an illegal alien willingly crossing the border. News papers sure as hell are not lawyers. As for the republican? Who cares? Did you really think that just because some stupid politician said something I'm going to take their word for it? As I recall Bush said it was perfectly legal to torture people. He's a republican...you going to take his word for it also?

    Besides, even assuming if you are right, this particular thread also points out that what's going on involves more than just children. But also a lot of adult illegal aliens also. None of what you posted refers to them.
    Again, I have posted several links confirming that my claim is true. Another poster quoted actual text from the law which describes how the children are to be placed and not detained or immediately returned back to their home countries. The only "rebuttal" I've seen so far is "Nuh-uh" worded in a variety of ways.

    And if the adults are women, and many are women, they are protected under Division B of the act.
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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You do realize how hard that will be, expensive, and inhumane?
    appeal to emotion are not arguments they are fallacies.

    we are a nation of laws and these kids are not with their families but with relatives that are probably hear illegally as well.
    leave it to liberal radicals to pander to people though.

    this is a sever breaking of his oath of office and failure to uphold the law which he sworth an oath to execute faithfully.
    they have yet to deport one of these people. they are letting them just run free in the US.

    they are bringing all sort of disease and other trouble with them and nothing is being done about it.

    It isn't inhumane to uphold the law tha is why the law exists.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Your in favor of separating families?
    What "families" crawled over here?

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    There is one truth here; these invaders will never be sent back home because they are part of the future liberal voting block so it is correct to say the liberals are violating the law of the land in order to pursue a one party government which makes such a government..............illegal.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The right left constantly complains excuses and approves that Obama ignores the law except when they complain that want Obama is following the law.
    I fixed your quote to highlight the same type of hypcocrisy on the other side that you failed to highlight. Many on the left have cheered Obama's "prosecutorial discretion" and "executive actions", yet declare he must follow the law exactly in this case.

    Shockingly, yes, both parties have hypocrites or people who rationalize why a different reaction in a different instance is perfectly justifiable.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    "explore reuniting those children with family members. "

    We should definitely look to reunite these children with their family members, specifically those not in this country.

    Subject to section 279(b)(2) of title 6, an unaccompanied alien child in the custody of the Secretary of Health and Human Services shall be promptly placed in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child. In making such placements, the Secretary may consider danger to self, danger to the community, and risk of flight. Placement of child trafficking victims may include placement in an Unaccompanied Refugee Minor program, pursuant to section 412(d) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1522(d)), if a suitable family member is not available to provide care. A child shall not be placed in a secure facility absent a determination that the child poses a danger to self or others or has been charged with having committed a criminal offense. The placement of a child in a secure facility shall be reviewed, at a minimum, on a monthly basis, in accordance with procedures prescribed by the Secretary, to determine if such placement remains warranted.
    There is no indication or classification of these children as "Child trafficing victims’".

    Indeed, the entire “subsection B” that Sanga keeps talking about is stated as thus:

    ”Assistance for trafficking victims”

    These are not trafficking victims. The problem here is that Sangha is desperately attempting to misrepresent these things expecting that people actually can’t do some research. The 2008 reauthorization he keeps pointing to is an update to the 2000 Trafficking Victims Protection Act, which details what exactly trafficking is and thus who would be a “trafficking victim” (Note, the answer is not “any illegal alien child”). Two types of Trafficking is defined in the act:
    Sex trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for the purposes of a commercial sex act, in which the commercial sex act is induced by force, fraud, or coercion, or in which the person induced to perform such an act has not attained 18 years of age, (22 USC 7102; 8 CFR 214.11(a)).
    There is no indication, what so ever, that these children fall under this provision. There’s been no indication that they’ve been transported for the purpose of sex.
    Labor trafficking is the recruitment, harboring, transportation, provision, or obtaining of a person for labor or services, through the use of force, fraud, or coercion for the purposes of subjection to involuntary servitude, peonage, debt bondage, or slavery, (22 USC 7102).
    Again, there’s been no indication that these kids were transported to the US through the use of force, fraud, or coercion to do work in some kind of indebted fashion.

    (SOURCE)

    Indeed, CBP itself notes the primary requirement for something to be human trafficking: "It occurs when a person is induced by force, fraud or coercion" (SOURCE). There was no force, fraud, or coercion here UNLESS the suggestion is that ANYTIME a child is brought/sent to the U.S. by the parent it's "human trafficking" in which case every illegal immigrant coming across with children (Or here already and sending children) are guilty of human trafficking and should be even more stingnetly sought out and prosectued.

    The law is EXPLICITELY for victims of TRAFFICKING, and yet it’s being used here as some kind of cover all for ALL illegal immigrant children. At BEST one can say that this is a judgment call on the part of the administration on how it wants to prosecute these instances…as instances of human trafficking or standard instances of immigration…which takes me back to the highlighted notion of Sangha’s pathetic one sided condemnation of hypocrisy, as the left cheers when Obama makes judgment calls on when/how to not enforce the law but then acts as if he MUST enforce the law in a specific way on another judgment call situation.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    That's exactly the bill I'm referring to. It was sponsored by a pro illegal alien liberal Democrat.
    Did this "pro illegal" democrat pull a gun on Bush and force him to sign the bill?

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