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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I agree. WE DONT WANT THIS, and our govt is ignoring us....
    No one wants kids piling up at the border. But most Americans -- including fiscal conservatives -- do in fact want a better path to citizenship for immigrants, including illegal ones.


    Obama wants voters. This will get him an immediate boost amongst hispanics, and loyal democrats when these guys become citizens in years....
    By the same token, we can say that Republicans who repeatedly refuse to work on immigration reform are playing to the conservative base, rather than dealing with this in a humane fashion. See how that works?


    Nevermind the costs, health concerns, economy, and the legal immigration system that has been completely bypassed. My father came here legally-after waiting for years to get here-and these punks show up at a fence and get right in? Its not right on so many levels.
    Really? That's your complaint?


    Our president should be impeached.
    For what? Moving illegal immigrants to a detention center near your home?

    Basically, the law does not allow ICE to perform a "removal" process immediately unless they are Mexican, or if they request asylum. There is nothing illegal about relocating detainees to a place that happens to be near you. Sorry to disappoint your outrage, but: Obama isn't violating any laws here.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Nice stretch. Read the title of the bill and know it's purpose. It was not to keep illegal alien parents in the US generally, but in specific circumstances. Circumstances that do not fit here.

    So, that's a fail. Anything else? No? Then you can give up this argument that Obama is faithfully executing law.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Releasing them is required by the law.
    No, no it's not. Again, name the law. The one you have named does not apply here.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nice stretch. Read the title of the bill and know it's purpose. It was not to keep illegal alien parents in the US generally, but in specific circumstances. Circumstances that do not fit here.

    So, that's a fail. Anything else? No? Then you can give up this argument that Obama is faithfully executing law.
    The law says that undocumented aliens who are not from Mexico and surrender to ICE shall be released with a court date
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Releasing them is required by the law.
    Can you provide the statue ?

    I get a ticket for a dog who's not even my dog being off the leash and I had to post over $300 bail just to get a court date.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    No one wants kids piling up at the border. But most Americans -- including fiscal conservatives -- do in fact want a better path to citizenship for immigrants, including illegal ones.
    No, we don't. Most of us want illegals deported and for us immigration reform means a tighter ship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    By the same token, we can say that Republicans who repeatedly refuse to work on immigration reform are playing to the conservative base, rather than dealing with this in a humane fashion. See how that works?
    Indeed, they do so because they wish to be re-elected and the people are soundly against what has been suggested for immigration reform. And drop the Sally Struthers routine. Immigration law, as it exists now IS humane. Otherwise there would be no provisions as there are for asylum, refugees or humanitarian efforts (see Haiti for one).

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Really? That's your complaint?
    Yes, ONE of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    For what? Moving illegal immigrants to a detention center near your home?

    Basically, the law does not allow ICE to perform a "removal" process immediately unless they are Mexican, or if they request asylum. There is nothing illegal about relocating detainees to a place that happens to be near you. Sorry to disappoint your outrage, but: Obama isn't violating any laws here.
    When he talks of letting them walk, yes, yes he is. "Detainees" in this context means DETAINED UNTIL DEPORTATION.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The law says that undocumented aliens who are not from Mexico and surrender to ICE shall be released with a court date
    Where, quote it. Again, the law you posted does not apply here.

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, no it's not. Again, name the law. The one you have named does not apply here.
    The one I named

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/08/us...king.html?_r=0

    Originally pushed by a bipartisan coalition of lawmakers as well as by evangelical groups to combat sex trafficking, the bill gave substantial new protections to children entering the country alone who were not from Mexico or Canada by prohibiting them from being quickly sent back to their country of origin.
    Instead, it required that they be given an opportunity to appear at an immigration hearing and consult with an advocate, and it recommended that they have access to counsel. It also required that they be turned over to the care of the Department of Health and Human Services, and the agency was directed to place the minor “in the least restrictive setting that is in the best interest of the child” and to explore reuniting those children with family members.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Can you provide the statue ?

    I get a ticket for a dog who's not even my dog being off the leash and I had to post over $300 bail just to get a court date.

    William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Act
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Border Meltdown: Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegals To U.S. Homes

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Where, quote it. Again, the law you posted does not apply here.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/08/us...king.html?_r=0

    Originally pushed by a bipartisan coalition of lawmakers as well as by evangelical groups to combat sex trafficking, the bill gave substantial new protections to children entering the country alone who were not from Mexico or Canada by prohibiting them from being quickly sent back to their country of origin.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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