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    Re: ISIS leader comes out of hiding, makes 21 minute video declaring he is the Caliph

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    Re: ISIS leader comes out of hiding, makes 21 minute video declaring he is the Caliph

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Kobie, I didn't make the map. Isis did.

    I do think it's possible that they would try although the probability of success is debatable and I think it's improbable because of Spain's membership in NATO. The Spanish have their own internal threat from ETA, however, and haven't been able to get that under control, so I doubt if ISIS wanted to attack Spain, that Spain would be able to do anything about it without assistance from NATO (the US).

    And, again, I didn't make the map - ISIS did "for crying out loud." You made a tad bit of an extension of my comment that had no description of my detailed thoughts. To ask me the question was a reasonable response given that I made no further comment, however, to add the "for crying out loud" to the end was a bit over the top - even for you.
    You said "it's just a matter of time before he gets what he wants." Meaning that ISIS will be able to achieve its stated goal of taking over Spain, southeastern Europe, Turkey, the entirety of southwestern Asia, the northern half of Africa, etc., etc. I think that's highly unlikely.
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    Re: ISIS leader comes out of hiding, makes 21 minute video declaring he is the Caliph

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You said "it's just a matter of time before he gets what he wants." Meaning that ISIS will be able to achieve its stated goal of taking over Spain, southeastern Europe, Turkey, the entirety of southwestern Asia, the northern half of Africa, etc., etc. I think that's highly unlikely.
    What ISIS wants is a Holy War that encompasses to world, and is primarily focused in the areas shown in the map I posted. I did not say that ISIS would prevail and take control of all these areas.

    That's what I meant by your extension of what I said being inaccurate. You made some assumptions, and were mistaken.

    Also, to state that there is no way that they could prevail, is naive at best, and ignorant at worst. The same thing was said about Japan and Germany before WWII and the Soviets after WWII. ISIS has billions of dollars of financing and thousands of loyal followers that are more than willing to die for the cause. ISIS doesn't have any bleeding heart liberals that will try everything they can to stop them.

    We have to recognize the true threat that is arising. Ignoring will not make it go away.

    I do not want the US to get involved in a sectarian war between Shi'ite and Sunni Islamic extremists, that has been raging at one level or another for the past seven centuries. However, we cannot ignore the fact that ISIS is a real and palpable threat to the US.

    Do you not think that ISIS wants a Holy War?

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    Re: ISIS leader comes out of hiding, makes 21 minute video declaring he is the Caliph

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Do you not think that ISIS wants a Holy War?
    I'm not saying they don't. I just don't think they're capable of waging it on the type of scale that would allow them to expand that far.
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    Re: ISIS leader comes out of hiding, makes 21 minute video declaring he is the Caliph

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah Beaudreaux.....as you can see. A majority cannot figure out what is going on. That would be the majority of the left. Which you can tell by their remarks. But this is not nor was ever surprising.
    Isolationists never do. If it isn't happening outside their house on their street in their town in their country... it isn't a problem and we should stay out of it. The problem with that thought process is that the whole world is where we live, not just in our country, and what happens elsewhere can have a real threat here at home. And, it's just a matter of time before it actually does come to our country, and our town, and maybe even our street outside of our own house. Just ask those that live near lower Manhattan, or in Boston, etc.

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    Re: ISIS leader comes out of hiding, makes 21 minute video declaring he is the Caliph

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I'm not saying they don't. I just don't think they're capable of waging it on the type of scale that would allow them to expand that far.
    I agree that right now they do not have that capability. Every day that goes by, however, gives them more followers, more money, more weapons, more experience and (the most frightening part to me) more confidence and resolve.

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    Re: ISIS leader comes out of hiding, makes 21 minute video declaring he is the Caliph

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I dare him to go after Russia.
    He says after the Caliphate is intact. He will conquer Rome next. Now that was a major mistake with all that Hacking he does when he speaks. As once he opens up a war against the Catholics.....if he can last that long. Then he will start something.....that will be an end to one religion. Forever.....and Islam just wont be the one to survive.

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    Re: ISIS leader comes out of hiding, makes 21 minute video declaring he is the Caliph

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    What ISIS wants is a Holy War that encompasses to world, and is primarily focused in the areas shown in the map I posted. I did not say that ISIS would prevail and take control of all these areas.

    That's what I meant by your extension of what I said being inaccurate. You made some assumptions, and were mistaken.

    Also, to state that there is no way that they could prevail, is naive at best, and ignorant at worst. The same thing was said about Japan and Germany before WWII and the Soviets after WWII. ISIS has billions of dollars of financing and thousands of loyal followers that are more than willing to die for the cause. ISIS doesn't have any bleeding heart liberals that will try everything they can to stop them.

    We have to recognize the true threat that is arising. Ignoring will not make it go away.

    I do not want the US to get involved in a sectarian war between Shi'ite and Sunni Islamic extremists, that has been raging at one level or another for the past seven centuries. However, we cannot ignore the fact that ISIS is a real and palpable threat to the US.

    Do you not think that ISIS wants a Holy War?


    Do you think they can figure it out and how it starts.....for the full sectarian divide to jump off? Think they can figure out what it takes and exactly how close to this.....the Invisible Sheik really is?

    How did the sectarian divide jump off with US and NATO in Iraq and allegedly with AQ being pushed out? What took place in 2006?

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    Re: ISIS leader comes out of hiding, makes 21 minute video declaring he is the Caliph

    Anyone who thinks these clowns can even accomplish half of their geographic goal need to come back to reality.
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    Re: ISIS leader comes out of hiding, makes 21 minute video declaring he is the Caliph

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Kobie, I didn't make the map. Isis did.

    I do think it's possible that they would try although the probability of success is debatable and I think it's improbable because of Spain's membership in NATO. The Spanish have their own internal threat from ETA, however, and haven't been able to get that under control, so I doubt if ISIS wanted to attack Spain, that Spain would be able to do anything about it without assistance from NATO (the US).

    And, again, I didn't make the map - ISIS did "for crying out loud." You made a tad bit of an extension of my comment that had no description of my detailed thoughts. To ask me the question was a reasonable response given that I made no further comment, however, to add the "for crying out loud" to the end was a bit over the top - even for you.


    Yeah.....I see you have come across their 5 year plan. He forgot the only way he can make it happen. It to terminate all the Shia first. Of course the only way he can take pressure off himself.....is to jump-start that sectarian conflict. Wherein he can hide amongst the mass confusion.

    Although one thing he does have going.....the US still considers AQAP more deadlier. Which is a mistake, if we do so.

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