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Bolivia congress allows child labor from age 10

Considering that both the child's consent, parental consent, and consent of a public official is required, and if the conditions are good, I don't see why not.

They showed some of the kids working the pits on German tv just now. Maybe they weren't real, but if they were, working the brothels would seem a major piece of luck fot kids.
 
That's sad.

It's been proven it's more stimulative for developing nations to pay children to go to school, get high grades, pay for medical visits and pay for their books and school uniforms.

Bolivia is suppose to be Socialist, not an explotiative Capitalist hell-hole :'(

Oh well, people always lie (Bolivian government, not you JoG)

It is a rather corrupt country, socialist colors and aggravates the US wherever it can. No money for kids.
 
They showed some of the kids working the pits on German tv just now. Maybe they weren't real, but if they were, working the brothels would seem a major piece of luck fot kids.

Prostitution would be even worse.
 
Prostitution would be even worse.

Actually acceptance of child prostitution would be an extremely beneficial thing for Tourism (and especially Sex Tourism) in the country.

NOT SAYING ITS WORTH THE PRICE.

Just underlining the *possible* ancillary economic benefits.
 
Actually acceptance of child prostitution would be an extremely beneficial thing for Tourism (and especially Sex Tourism) in the country.

NOT SAYING ITS WORTH THE PRICE.

Just underlining the *possible* ancillary economic benefits.

Price?

There is some amount of good which would justify child prostitution in your mind?
 
Price?

There is some amount of good which would justify child prostitution in your mind?

Lol.

I don't know how you misunderstood what I said.

Legal child prostitution WOULD lead to increased Tourism, which would be fantastic for the country.

What I said about Price was the Price the CHILDREN PROSTITUTED would have to pay. I didn't support Child Prostitution in Bolivia, just its benefits. Look at Thailand.
 
Lol.

I don't know how you misunderstood what I said.

Legal child prostitution WOULD lead to increased Tourism, which would be fantastic for the country.

What I said about Price was the Price the CHILDREN PROSTITUTED would have to pay. I didn't support Child Prostitution in Bolivia, just its benefits. Look at Thailand.

I understood what you said and I agree with you.

I'm just saying that the language used made it sound as though there would be some theoretical amount of benefits which would equal the harm done and would thereby justify it.
 
I understood what you said and I agree with you.

I'm just saying that the language used made it sound as though there would be some theoretical amount of benefits which would equal the harm done and would thereby justify it.

Well, to be fair, if Child Rape/Abuse/Trafficking are already occuring at an immense pace then legalizing the affair, as sad as it is, could *possibly* be beneficial to the Economy and Children.

I.e. in the form of regulation and the new funds available to police against Child Rape/Abuse/Trafficking.

Very few things are black and white, in my opinion.
 
well, there isn't much "trick" to it.

Best Jobs Of The Future - Business Insider

Everyone, including me, can give you a top 10 list easily.

Programmers are top of the line.
Engineers (from technical branches).
Doctors.
Lawyers and other judicial employees.
Teachers.
City planners
arhitects
Chemists
Biologists
Geologists
Chefs and food specialists
etc

What you won't see is factory workers coz of automation.
Retailers... they need to go out.
fast food workers should get expired.
etc

Yea, I was thinking that one of the aims now is to pick a job that won't get automated in the next 20 years. It's not just a fantasy anymore.
 
How about digging for minerals in the deep with a pick and basket?

How Green Was My Valley is one of my favorite movies....



I approve of child labor laws. Frankly I'm kind of surprised Uruguay already had child labor laws in place and just wanted to lower the age for farm children. Same issue came up in the US not too long ago.......

Child Work: Agriculture, Entertainment Fair Labor Standards Act Exemption - Stateline

But generally I think kids should be in school and not working 10 to 12 hours a day at hard labor. But age appropriate chores or part time jobs...no problem.
 
Well, to be fair, if Child Rape/Abuse/Trafficking are already occuring at an immense pace then legalizing the affair, as sad as it is, could *possibly* be beneficial to the Economy and Children.

I.e. in the form of regulation and the new funds available to police against Child Rape/Abuse/Trafficking.

Very few things are black and white, in my opinion.

I have been on forums since 2004, and have NEVER encountered a poster who believes that child trafficking should be legal. Child trafficking is just another form of slavery, and the above poster wants it legal. Go figure.
 
I have been on forums since 2004, and have NEVER encountered a poster who believes that child trafficking should be legal. Child trafficking is just another form of slavery, and the above poster wants it legal. Go figure.
I'm not entirely sure he meant that, but it sure as hell appears he does, from that post.

I'd rather we pull all the funding from drug enforcement and use it to combat child trafficking. Funding from a bunch of other unnecessary ****, too.
Not only that - I would probably support invading a country that harbors child traffickers, but not much else outside an actual (and significant) threat against the USA would (IMO) warrant such.

What can I say...to me, sex crimes are some of the worst crimes that occur, and child sex crimes are THE worst. Above murder, even.
 
I'm not entirely sure he meant that, but it sure as hell appears he does, from that post.

I'd rather we pull all the funding from drug enforcement and use it to combat child trafficking. Funding from a bunch of other unnecessary ****, too.
Not only that - I would probably support invading a country that harbors child traffickers, but not much else outside an actual (and significant) threat against the USA would (IMO) warrant such.

What can I say...to me, sex crimes are some of the worst crimes that occur, and child sex crimes are THE worst. Above murder, even.


Unless and until you have encountered the victims you cannot know what a devastation this type of crime is for a person. I have worked with many abuse victims, but I've had some few from other countries who were victims of child trafficking and child prostitution rings. They are the sickest of the sick.
 
Unless and until you have encountered the victims you cannot know what a devastation this type of crime is for a person. I have worked with many abuse victims, but I've had some few from other countries who were victims of child trafficking and child prostitution rings. They are the sickest of the sick.
I'm also of the opinion that an unquestionably guilty child rapist should get the death penalty.

Exception only if they give up multiple OTHER child rapists or persons involved in such activities in some way (traffickers, etc.), and their sentence can only be reduced to life without the possibility of parole.


At some point years ago, I subscribed to the argument that having the death penalty on the table would just cause them to kill the child after the rape, so it should not be an option.

I apparently changed my mind at some point though...not sure when or why, exactly.
 
I don't understand why when the subject of children working comes up it leads to prostitution.

One has nothing to do with the other.
 
I don't understand why when the subject of children working comes up it leads to prostitution.

One has nothing to do with the other.
To the contrary.

Prostitution can and in some cases IS a job that children are involved in. It's not even illegal in some areas, probably.

Granted you usually think of at least semi-coercive "pimps" being involved, which counters the whole job idea, but that's not always the case, I would bet.


Edit: Additionally, children working in anything beyond odd jobs like babysitting, mowing lawns, etc, are more likely to have some amount of pressure on them to do so.
Might be parents, society, or whatever, but the pressure is still there, and that semi-coercive force is in some ways analogous with the situation of prostitutes.

Exceptions of course exist.
 
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To the contrary.

Prostitution can and in some cases IS a job that children are involved in. It's not even illegal in some areas, probably.

Granted you usually think of at least semi-coercive "pimps" being involved, which counters the whole job idea, but that's not always the case, I would bet.


Edit: Additionally, children working in anything beyond odd jobs like babysitting, mowing lawns, etc, are more likely to have some amount of pressure on them to do so.
Might be parents, society, or whatever, but the pressure is still there, and that semi-coercive force is in some ways analogous with the situation of prostitutes.

Exceptions of course exist.

We are talking about Boliva n this case. Child labor would be a legal job ina factory or a store. Child prostitution is illegal just about everywhere.
 
So, what's wrong with kids working? Obviously they need to get an education, but working in between is a part of that education. We can't throw kids into the work force at 18, after never having a job and expect them to know how to work.
 
We are talking about Boliva n this case. Child labor would be a legal job ina factory or a store. Child prostitution is illegal just about everywhere.
That may be the case.

My point about semi-coercive pressures still stands though.

How many children, do you think, are going to be working in a factory or a store because they, even at a young age, realize their family is barely treading water financially, and want to help out? How many will have the additional pressure from parents to do so?

How much better would it be if they could go to school instead?

Granted the economic conditions probably don't allow it, and working in a factory is probably better than not working, but it's still not a situation I would prefer.

That said....if the option is "prevent children from working for political reasons only to watch them or their family suffer malnutrition due to lack of funds", I'd have to go with "allow children to work". It still indicates serious issues with an economy.
 
I'm not entirely sure he meant that, but it sure as hell appears he does, from that post.

I'd rather we pull all the funding from drug enforcement and use it to combat child trafficking. Funding from a bunch of other unnecessary ****, too.
Not only that - I would probably support invading a country that harbors child traffickers, but not much else outside an actual (and significant) threat against the USA would (IMO) warrant such.

What can I say...to me, sex crimes are some of the worst crimes that occur, and child sex crimes are THE worst. Above murder, even.

Bolded: Agreed.

Maenad is just butthurt so he's going the path of libel. It's expected of those lesser minded.

"I'd rather we pull all the funding from drug enforcement and use it to combat child trafficking. Funding from a bunch of other unnecessary ****, too.
Not only that - I would probably support invading a country that harbors child traffickers, but not much else outside an actual (and significant) threat against the USA would (IMO) warrant such."

That would actually make alot of sense.

At first I thought you said ALL Enforcement, in which case I was going to go on a tirade about the economics of rule of law's impact on business costs, etc.

But yea, 100% agreed there too.
 
Actually acceptance of child prostitution would be an extremely beneficial thing for Tourism (and especially Sex Tourism) in the country.

NOT SAYING ITS WORTH THE PRICE.

Just underlining the *possible* ancillary economic benefits.

Fewer kids would starve to death. But since we are saving them from a fate worse than death, we can hold our heads high.
 
Fewer kids would starve to death. But since we are saving them from a fate worse than death, we can hold our heads high.

It is a Difficult issue. From very, very many different perceptives.
 
Prostitution would be even worse.

.....than working their little fingers to the bone, literally until their small bodies are twisted and sick and coughing themselves to convulsion.
 
How Green Was My Valley is one of my favorite movies....


I
I approve of child labor laws. Frankly I'm kind of surprised Uruguay already had child labor laws in place and just wanted to lower the age for farm children. Same issue came up in the US not too long ago.......

Child Work: Agriculture, Entertainment Fair Labor Standards Act Exemption - Stateline

But generally I think kids should be in school and not working 10 to 12 hours a day at hard labor. But age appropriate chores or part time jobs...no problem.


I think you are totally right that the kids should be fed and at school.
Thank you for the video.
 
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