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    Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Dan Prochilo Jul 1, 2014, 3:54 pm

    Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    East Rockaway instructor fights her removal from the classroom

    An East Rockaway teacher has accused the school district of ousting her from the classroom because her students' strong performance on standardized tests has backfired.

    Voula Coyle, a veteran fourth grade teacher at Rhame Avenue School, said her strong teaching skills have dragged down her school's state rating.

    Coyle alleged she has been falsely accused of misconduct after she brushed off administrators’ calls for teachers to do a lackluster job in order to rig the state's ranking system.

    She said in an interview with FiOS1 News that district has engaged in a campaign of harassment and intimidation against her and has fostered "a divisive environment where the children are suffering.

    "They are not putting their concern where it needs to be: with the children and the taxpayers," said the 17-year instructor at the grammar school. "And they are destroying my reputation in the community."

    Coyle and her attorney Vincent White of White, Ricotta & Marks PC in Queens, say they are considering filing litigation against the district.

    Coyle, who was reassigned from her classroom to a clerical job at the end of April, said her students have consistently scored above average on state tests, winning her the highest possible rating on the pupil performance section of the state's Annual Professional Performance Review.

    But her students' solid work has become a problem for Rhame Avenue School teachers at the next grade level and for the school as a whole, according to White.

    The New York State Education Department's performance rating system is designed to reward instructors and schools when students show academic improvement from one grade to the next, White said.

    But Coyle's students’ scores either don't improve or get worse while they are in fifth grade. As a result a few fifth grade teachers have been rated as less than effective and the school's entire score has been pulled down, which could pose a threat to state funding, according to Coyle.

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    Story here
    If this is true...

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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    If this is true...
    "Let's rate teachers and punish the ones who do badly" they said

    "It will be good for the students" they said
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    "Let's rate teachers and punish the ones who do badly" they said

    "It will be good for the students" they said
    It would not seem to be the fault of the kids, since they proved in her class that they can learn and want to learn.

    If she can get her students to learn and do well in class, why can't the fifth grade teachers as well? Seems that if this story is true, which I haven't found anywhere else, that it is the teachers that are the problem. And, if not for what you stated above, we never would have known. So...

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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Ironically, at the collegiate level the tragic trend is toward "student success." I'll let everybody translate that phrase....

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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    So the bottom line is: Teach your children to be mediocre. Well... that's about right.

    Same with the Pasco County School District in Florida who feels the achievement of valedictorians and salutatorian are "unfair" to the other children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yahoo News
    "We started looking at the diversity of pathways that a student can take… Many students take advantage of the Pasco virtual school, and it's not an even game anymore," said Amelia Larson, the assistant superintendent at Pasco County Schools. "Many students close out of a class after the GPA is calculated. It's just so complicated."
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    It would not seem to be the fault of the kids, since they proved in her class that they can learn and want to learn.

    If she can get her students to learn and do well in class, why can't the fifth grade teachers as well? Seems that if this story is true, which I haven't found anywhere else, that it is the teachers that are the problem. And, if not for what you stated above, we never would have known. So...
    Just to be clear, I didn't say it was the kids fault. Obviously, there's blame to go around (teachers, administrators, etc) but not to the kids.

    My point is that simple sounding solutions to complex problems often have unintended consequences.

    If a school is having problems, the last thing that should be done is to cut their funding. We're the only industrialized nation that does that. In other developed nations, schools with problems get extra help, not extra punishment.
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So the bottom line is: Teach your children to be mediocre. Well... that's about right.

    Same with the Pasco County School District in Florida who feels the achievement of valedictorians and salutatorian are "unfair" to the other children.
    No, teach your children that that are great in any endeavor and that if they are not, it's somebody or something else's fault.

    Yes, mediocrity will be the result of lowering the bar...and the far-reaching consequences are yet to be seen.

    I've posted this bit before, but I think it's appropriate here to repost it:

    Excerpt on Education from The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis

    "…the spirit of I'm as good as you has already become something more than generally social influence….The basic principle of the new education is to be that dunces and idlers must not be made to feel inferior to intelligent and industrious pupils. That would be 'undemocratic.' These differences between the pupils--for they are obviously and nakedly individual differences--must be disguised. This can be done on various levels. At universities examinations must be framed so that nearly all the students get good marks. Entrance examinations must be framed so that all, or nearly all, citizens can go to universities, whether they have any power (or wish) to profit by higher education or not. At schools, the children who are too stupid or lazy to learn languages and mathematics and elementary science can be set to doing the things that children used to do in their spare time. Let them, for example, make mud pies and call it modelling. But all the time there must be no faintest hint that they are inferior to the children who are at work.. Whatever nonsense they are engaged in must have--I believe the English already use the phrase--"parity of esteem."

    …"In a word, we may reasonably hope for the virtual abolition of education when I'm as good as you has fully had its way. All incentives to learn and all penalties for not learning will vanish. The few who might want to learn will be prevented; who are they to overtop their fellows? And anyway the teachers--or should I say, nurses?--will be far too busy reassuring the dunces and patting them on the back to waste any time on real teaching. We [the demons of Hell] shall no longer have to plan and toil to spread imperturbable conceit and incurable ignorance among men. [They] themselves will do it for us."

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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    "Let's rate teachers and punish the ones who do badly" they said
    But this doesn't appear to be a case of the "bad one" being punished. This appears to be attempting to punish a "good one" because they're good.

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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    This is disgusting. We need more teachers like Mrs. Coyle, not less. Standardization is holding this country back.
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    But this doesn't appear to be a case of the "bad one" being punished. This appears to be attempting to punish a "good one" because they're good.
    Yes, that's true but the motive behind punishing the good teacher is the policy of punishing the bad teachers and schools. Particularly the latter.

    If something is punished, then those subject to the punishment will try to discourage (with punishment) anyone or anything that presents a threat that they will be punished.
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