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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It is if there is not "methodology" (I prefer the term "implementation") can guarantee against these kinds of circumventions. I don't think there is such an implementation, because we've seen this sort of thing before with "high stakes testing", which is profoundly entwined with this policy. It has encouraged some teachers, and schools, to tell their students the questions and the answers before the test..
    High stakes testing is revealing poor performance by the teachers in this case. The students performed well under a teacher working in the exact "high stakes testing" environment.

    The fault is not in the "high stakes testing" it's in the low performing teachers.
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    "Let's rate teachers and punish the ones who do badly" they said

    "It will be good for the students" they said
    Assuming that what the teacher is saying is true, then the problem lies with the 5th grade teachers not keeping up, not with her. Seems like you would prefer that the kids get held back so that the test scores for the next year look good. That's pretty messed up. We should be rewarding her and working with the rest of the teachers to emulate her success instead of trying to slow her down.
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Assuming that what the teacher is saying is true, then the problem lies with the 5th grade teachers not keeping up, not with her. Seems like you would prefer that the kids get held back so that the test scores for the next year look good. That's pretty messed up. We should be rewarding her and working with the rest of the teachers to emulate her success instead of trying to slow her down.
    That's a huge assumption.

    If the kids were really doing that well in 4th. grade, then they'd also do well in 5th, most likely. Kids don't go from good readers to poor readers. No, it's much more likely that the test measuring their ability at the end of the 4th. grade was flawed in some way.

    And, why is it that there are no stories about this teacher from the local news? Could it be a made up story?
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's a huge assumption.

    If the kids were really doing that well in 4th. grade, then they'd also do well in 5th, most likely. Kids don't go from good readers to poor readers. No, it's much more likely that the test measuring their ability at the end of the 4th. grade was flawed in some way.

    And, why is it that there are no stories about this teacher from the local news? Could it be a made up story?
    Consistently flawed in some way? And only this fourth grade?

    Come on.
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

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    Consistently flawed in some way? And only this fourth grade?

    Come on.
    It's pretty easy to flaw the results of a standardized test. All it takes is an eraser and pencil, or perhaps a little coaching now and again.
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's pretty easy to flaw the results of a standardized test. All it takes is an eraser and pencil, or perhaps a little coaching now and again.
    So, you're claiming it's cheating?
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

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    So, you're claiming it's cheating?
    I don't know, but it sounds like allegations of cheating to me. Why else would a teacher be removed from the classroom due high scores? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

    The other possibility is that the entire story was fabricated. Since I can't find a word about it in the local news from there, that seems to be another possibility.
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't know, but it sounds like allegations of cheating to me. Why else would a teacher be removed from the classroom due high scores? That makes absolutely no sense at all.
    maybe so they can get rid of her? Or is it everyone but her that has some ethics?

    The other possibility is that the entire story was fabricated. Since I can't find a word about it in the local news from there, that seems to be another possibility.
    Well, if so, this is an exercise in what-ifs. But, if it was on the interweb, it must be true.
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    maybe so they can get rid of her? Or is it everyone but her that has some ethics?



    Well, if so, this is an exercise in what-ifs. But, if it was on the interweb, it must be true.
    Of course, it must be true, as nothing false is ever posted on the internet!
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Assuming the OP's facts are correct, the problem seems to be this:
    "The New York State Education Department's performance rating system is designed to reward instructors and schools when students show academic improvement from one grade to the next"

    If the preceding teacher has already obtained an excellent performance from the students, there is no room for improvement in the next grade. It is wrong to punish the next teacher for having no improvement left to achieve. (i.e if a student is already getting all As there grades can not improve)

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