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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    This is one of the stories you look at and say, no, can't be. There has to be more to the story than that. No one is fired for doing too good of a job, but they are fired for cheating.

    Well, farmers sometimes are punished for doing too good of a job when they create an over production of something and lower the price so that profits vanish. I've seen that happen around here, but that's another story.
    Like I said, that very well may be. However, I seriously doubt she would be suing the school if that was the reason she was fired. Unless more surfaces, we'll just have to wait for the civil trial to find out.

    This seems to be a story that Fox News would be all over. Since I don't watch Fox, maybe someone here that does can let us know what they are saying. Also, if anyone in the NYC area can watch Channel 12 Long Island, or Newsday, I'm sure they'll cover it as well.

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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    If this is true...
    Very, very little likelihood of that.

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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

    Talk about being between a rock and a hard place.

    Hopefully outstanding clerical skills won't get her reassigned to the janitorial staff.
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    "Let's rate teachers and punish the ones who do badly" they said

    "It will be good for the students" they said
    Its sounds like the 4th grade teacher would rate pretty high, its good for her students, and the 5th grade teachers arent capable of elevating their game and building on what they have already been taught.

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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    The motto of today's public education system is "strive to be average". The schools are actually worried that those children who excel will be a factor of demoralization to the dullards trapped within those same walls. Public school is the epitome of conformism. It's to the point where they want 30 automatons in every classroom, alike in every way. Robotic, almost.

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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No one is fired for doing too good of a job, but they are fired for cheating.
    I can't really tell you how untrue this is in my line of work. I work with media/art directors/editors who don't really enjoy any new talent showing up and making them look mediocre. Most of the guys who have started the independent comic book/movie companies and photography firms and have become pretty famous ended up there because of a row with an editor/Hollywood exec/producer. When the artists at the bottom of the totem pole start getting the idea that they can tell better stories than the people who are in charge of reviewing performance, people get fired. It's a sad reality. We get paid decently but when some of us get too good for certain egos, we have two options - fly away and start our own outfits like I did or wait around for that office talk.
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    More on this story:

    Coyle has also been accused of cheating in order to improve her studentsí scores, as they did not represent the predicted distribution of varying grades. The teacherís belief in her instructional approach is so strong that she is considering filing litigation against the school district. -
    Yet another possibility: This story did not make the local news at East Rockaway, at least, not that I could find anywhere. Could it be a made up story placed on the internet just to stir up controversy, a sort of cross between the Onion and a troll?
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    More on this story:



    Yet another possibility: This story did not make the local news at East Rockaway, at least, not that I could find anywhere. Could it be a made up story placed on the internet just to stir up controversy, a sort of cross between the Onion and a troll?
    From the link in the original post:
    The arbitrator cleared Coyle of wrongdoing on June 4. The teacher said that the school failed to properly investigate the allegations, not bothering to question a teacher's assistant who was present when the tests were administered and who disputed the accusations.
    Could be the Administrators lobbing this accusation to discredit the teacher.

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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    It would not seem to be the fault of the kids, since they proved in her class that they can learn and want to learn.

    If she can get her students to learn and do well in class, why can't the fifth grade teachers as well? Seems that if this story is true, which I haven't found anywhere else, that it is the teachers that are the problem. And, if not for what you stated above, we never would have known. So...
    I think part of the problem might actually be in how they are rating as well though. If they are comparing grades from one to another, and grading on a positive gain in grades of so much from one grade to the next, then that could be the real issue.

    From what I'm reading here, this sounds like the problem. They only have one test and the students did very well on it, well then, even if they do very well in the next grade, and the tests show this, they still get a bad grade because the test scores are still near that high level already. I could be wrong here, but if this is the problem, then it shows a major issue with the way they are doing testing and rating teachers, which is on improvement in test grades rather than actual knowledge from one grade to the next.
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    Re: Teacher allegedly disciplined because her students' scores are too high

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    If this is true...
    .....it's appalling.

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