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BREAKING: New Allegations Point to Cochran Campaign in Mississippi Senate Vote Buying

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JasperL said:
You're hilarious. You sooo want to condemn democrats and apologize for the GOP that you're willing to believe the Rev. is telling the truth about buying votes for Cochran, but want to disregard the key part of that story that directly implicates the Cochran campaign, and/or GOP operatives working for Cochran.
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Your take on my position is absurd.
I can only contribute that to your biases.


JasperL said:
Like I said, if you believe the Rev's story, there WAS a vote buying scheme being run out of his offices.
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Apparently there wasn't.


JasperL said:
He says he went there to pick up cash, and that Saleem delivered the cash in envelopes directly to him in the field.
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He says. iLOL
:doh
Please try to grasp this. He has a history of fraud.
Was he involved in actual fraud this time, or is his making up of a story the fraud?
As already pointed out, two names appear in those texts supposedly from the same person. Saleem and Saleen. This speaks more to fraud on his part than anything else.


JasperL said:
Do you think democrats in Mississippi woke up one morning and decided to start buying votes for a GOPer, just because he's a good guy?
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WTF? What the hell are you going on about?


JasperL said:
Did this cash just fall out of the sky?
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What cash?
Where is the evidence of actual cash, and evidence of what it was actually for, if it even existed?
Nothing outside of this fraudsters word exists.
 
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BMCM said:
Are you saying that it's ok to buy votes but not ok for the bought voters to actually vote. Or are you just trying to whitewash the fact that the Conservatives committed voter fraud? Which is it?
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The Rev is a known fraudster. So what evidence exists that actual votes were bought?
If Saleem gave money, where is the evidence it was for actual votes, and not some other reason? Hell where is the evidence that there was actual money trading hands?


But regardless of that, I am in the camp that the dual votes were fraudulently cast.
And am of the opinion, as I already stated, that that should disqualify Cochran, because it was part of his campaign to get them to vote.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Gee, southern black Democrats selling their votes - I'm shocked, shocked. Kind of reminds me of the Obama voters all excited because they were getting an Obama phone or Obama was gonna pay their rent.
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Gee, southern white CONs promising minorities money for services and then reniging- according to the interview with the 'preacher'. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you... :roll:

Kinda reminds me of the grand old tradition of Whites in the South manipulating the vote behind closed doors to engineer an outcome THEY want...

Ya'll come back now, y'hear.... :peace
 
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jmotivator said:
Your ignorant inability to see the difference does not equal hypocrisy on the part of the people who actually know the difference.
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Explain the difference
 
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Excon said:
But regardless of that, I am in the camp that the dual votes were fraudulently cast.
And am of the opinion, as I already stated, that that should disqualify Cochran, because it was part of his campaign to get them to vote.
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The accusations are getting difficult to follow, mostly because the 'the Rev' is a known fraud and scam artist, but Mississippi election law seems a bit CONvoluted... Apparently the voters don't need to prove party affiliation, just can't declare in front of a poll worker they are casting a ballot for a guy they will not support in the general election.

Now is there proof of someone voting in the democrat primary and then in the GOP run-off? Is that spelled out in the law as illegal? The law seems very odd, even for the South... ;)
 
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notquiteright said:
Gee, southern white CONs promising minorities money for services and then reniging- according to the interview with the 'preacher'. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you... :roll:

Kinda reminds me of the grand old tradition of Whites in the South manipulating the vote behind closed doors to engineer an outcome THEY want...

Ya'll come back now, y'hear.... :peace
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What you left out is that the "grand old tradition of Whites in the South manipulating the vote behind closed doors" was a Democrat/liberal tradition, until they abandoned the Democrat party after the bill of rights and voting rights acts in the 60s.
 
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Excon said:
What cash?
Where is the evidence of actual cash, and evidence of what it was actually for, if it even existed?
Nothing outside of this fraudsters word exists.
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OK, so your point is there is nothing more to this story than one democrat making up a story out of whole cloth and perhaps selling it to muckrakers in the conservative press who ran the click bait without the slightest bit of fact checking? If that's your point, I actually agree, like I said. I don't even know what we're debating at this point.
 
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jmotivator said:
Your ignorant inability to see the difference does not equal hypocrisy on the part of the people who actually know the difference.
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Every single GOPer claims to be a 'conservative.' 100% of them. There isn't actually a Tea Party at all, at least not one that runs actual candidates in any election under the Tea Party banner, st least not in anything other than local elections. They run as GOPers, and as conservatives, but apparently different than the RINOs who call themselves conservatives but aren't 'true' conservatives according to some test that no one can name, because it varies from person to person, and anyone left of that person isn't a "true" conservative, but a fraud of some kind, e.g. a RINO.

You have to admit it does get confusing, and it's especially confusing because the standards are defined by each individual. I'm not sure how to keep up! :doh
 
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notquiteright said:
Now is there proof of someone voting in the democrat primary and then in the GOP run-off?
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The following page is an example of three.
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The current reported count is at 3300 at under half of the counties counted.

WJTV News Channel 12 - Election Drama Continues 1 Week After Republican Runoff


And then there is this development.

FEC Seeks Answers From Pro-Cochran Super PAC | Political MoneyLine Blog
 
Re: BREAKING: New Allegations Point to Cochran Campaign in Mississippi Senate Vote Bu

JasperL said:
OK, so your point is there is nothing more to this story than one democrat making up a story out of whole cloth and perhaps selling it to muckrakers in the conservative press who ran the click bait without the slightest bit of fact checking? If that's your point, I actually agree, like I said. I don't even know what we're debating at this point.
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Wow! You really like attributing your thoughts to others.
Pointing out what the evidence is and what it isn't, is not anything like the above.

So again.
What cash?
Where is the evidence of actual cash, and evidence of what it was actually for, if it even existed?
Nothing outside of this fraudsters word exists.

I am guessing you didn't answer the question because you cannot point to any actual cash or anything outside of the fraudsters word. Right?
 
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CanadaJohn said:
What you left out is that the "grand old tradition of Whites in the South manipulating the vote behind closed doors" was a Democrat/liberal tradition, until they abandoned the Democrat party after the bill of rights and voting rights acts in the 60s.
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Heh, those George Wallace voting dems were social conservatives who became Repubs after the civil rights act was passed, and of course some pandering by Nixon and Reagan. They are the GOP's problem now, although it's clear the GOP wants to desperately get rid of them.
 
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Excon said:
The following page is an example of three.
The current reported count is at 3300 at under half of the counties counted.

WJTV News Channel 12 - Election Drama Continues 1 Week After Republican Runoff
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It's a little confusing because the McDaniel people say they've found "irregular" votes. But the Cochran camp says McDaniel claims 200 "irregular" votes in a precinct in which only 37 democrats voted in the democratic primary, so the max number of ILLEGAL crossover votes in that precinct is 37.

I guess we'll see when they file the lawsuit.
 
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BMCM said:
Explain the difference
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The GOP is a political party, Conservatism is an ideology. Cochran is a member of the GOP but not a Conservative in the same way that Joe Manchin is Democrat but not a liberal.
 
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Excon said:
Wow! You really like attributing your thoughts to others.
Pointing out what the evidence is and what it isn't, is not anything like the above.

So again.
What cash?
Where is the evidence of actual cash, and evidence of what it was actually for, if it even existed?
Nothing outside of this fraudsters word exists.

I am guessing you didn't answer the question because you cannot point to any actual cash or anything outside of the fraudsters word. Right?
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LIke I said, I'm not sure what we're debating here. Really, I have no idea what you think happened, if anything at all.

I said earlier, I think Cochran paid this guy and others to do the standard political exercise of GOTV, which is perfectly legal and an important part of many successful campaigns. No one gave him cash to throw around, and the allegations by the Rev. and reported by right wing 'journalists' are BS. What you think happened is a mystery to me.

What I pointed out earlier is IF THE ALLEGATIONS BY THE REV. ARE TRUE, he implicates himself AND republican operatives working for Cochran. If he's lying, well, then this is a nothing story and why are we talking about any of it?
 
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JasperL said:
It's a little confusing because the McDaniel people say they've found "irregular" votes. But the Cochran camp says McDaniel claims 200 "irregular" votes in a precinct in which only 37 democrats voted in the democratic primary, so the max number of ILLEGAL crossover votes in that precinct is 37.
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I am pretty sure your information is incorrect.
IIRC, the claim was 200 of the 800 cross over votes they had found in one county, at that time, were entry mistakes.

JACKSON, MS (Mississippi News Now) -

The Mississippi Tea Party President says they've found evidence that nearly 800 voters crossed over in Tuesday's runoff election that should not have been allowed to vote Republican.

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However, Hinds County GOP Chairman Pete Perry says there are some precincts where he knows workers marked the wrong column and corrected them the day of the election. He believes that could account for at least 200 of those being cited by the Tea Party.

"The poll workers marked the wrong column," said Perry. "We know there are errors that happened that day and the poll workers out there corrected it. And they're just trying to make up numbers to make it look a lot better than it is."

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MS Tea Party claims at least 800 illegal votes in Hinds Co.​

That is unless you were speaking to something else.
 
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JasperL said:
What I pointed out earlier is IF THE ALLEGATIONS BY THE REV. ARE TRUE, he implicates himself AND republican operatives working for Cochran. If he's lying, well, then this is a nothing story and why are we talking about any of it?
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And What I pointed out is that that does not necessarily follow, as there are other possibilities. So one should not assume such.
 
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Excon said:
And What I pointed out is that that does not necessarily follow, as there are other possibilities. So one should not assume such.
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If the allegations are TRUE, then there aren't many possibilities. If the allegations are lies, or partly lies, but we don't know which part of the allegations are lies, then obviously there are many different possibilities, including that the cash (if any existed or was handed out, which perhaps didn't happen or maybe did happen, but not as much or FAR MORE than was alleged) was found on a street corner and the Rev handed it out to voters as a good Samaritan for doing their civic duty and he gave no suggestions on who to vote for, but they could if they wanted do a write in vote for Snoop Doggy Dogg to bring a smile to the faces of the vote counters. :2razz:
 
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Excon said:
I am pretty sure your information is incorrect.
IIRC, the claim was 200 of the 800 cross over votes they had found in one county, at that time, were entry mistakes.
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Just to be clear, I'm not claiming anything, and don't care much about this outcome, just interested as an observer. Anyway, this is the story:

https://djournal.com/news/mcdaniel-camp-claims-irregular-votes-numerous/

For instance, Russell said the McDaniel campaign is claiming 200 “ineligible” crossover votes in the Fondren precinct in Jackson. Yet, he said only 37 people voted in the Democratic primary in the precinct on June 3, meaning this 37 would be the only registered voters in the precinct ineligible to vote in the June 24 Republican runoff.
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And the reason I'm suspicious is the night of the election, the campaign seemed to indicate crossover votes were at least illegitimate, if not illegal, so I'm a bit suspicious when they use the term "irregular" instead of illegal. If it's prohibited by law to vote in the democratic primary, and again in the GOP primary, those votes aren't 'irregular' they're illegal and should be thrown out, so why not use a term that is clearer? I don't know, maybe it's a term of art for election law that I'm not aware of.
 
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JasperL said:
If the allegations are TRUE, then there aren't many possibilities. If the allegations are lies, or partly lies, but we don't know which part of the allegations are lies, then obviously there are many different possibilities, including that the cash (if any existed or was handed out, which perhaps didn't happen or maybe did happen, but not as much or FAR MORE than was alleged) was found on a street corner and the Rev handed it out to voters as a good Samaritan for doing their civic duty and he gave no suggestions on who to vote for, but they could if they wanted do a write in vote for Snoop Doggy Dogg to bring a smile to the faces of the vote counters. :2razz:
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Of course there are many possibilities if the allegations are true.
As already pointed out, such action could be at someone else's behest and not Cochran's.
It could solely be how Saleem decided to do it. And not how Cochran/campaign thought the money was used for.
Of course there are many other possibilities other than Cochran is responsible.
And didn't he say he was stiffed on the funds? Which means there was no money?
 
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JasperL said:
Just to be clear, I'm not claiming anything, and don't care much about this outcome, just interested as an observer. Anyway, this is the story:

https://djournal.com/news/mcdaniel-camp-claims-irregular-votes-numerous/



And the reason I'm suspicious is the night of the election, the campaign seemed to indicate crossover votes were at least illegitimate, if not illegal, so I'm a bit suspicious when they use the term "irregular" instead of illegal. If it's prohibited by law to vote in the democratic primary, and again in the GOP primary, those votes aren't 'irregular' they're illegal and should be thrown out, so why not use a term that is clearer? I don't know, maybe it's a term of art for election law that I'm not aware of.
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Ok,so you were talking about something else.
We already know that Cochran solicited votes from Dems. We also already know some of those Dems fraudulently voted in both primaries.
So who do you believe? Cochran spokesman Jordan Russell making such a claim of 37, or the McDaniel bunch who supposedly found irregularity?
As Cochran involved himself in requesting the fraudulent crossover votes I have already picked a side.
If the irregularities exist I know who I am going to believe. And that sure is not the claim of only 37.
 
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Excon said:
Ok,so you were talking about something else.
We already know that Cochran solicited votes from Dems. We also already know some of those Dems fraudulently voted in both primaries.
So who do you believe? Cochran spokesman Jordan Russell making such a claim of 37, or the McDaniel bunch who supposedly found irregularity?
As Cochran involved himself in requesting the fraudulent crossover votes I have already picked a side.
If the irregularities exist I know who I am going to believe. And that sure is not the claim of only 37.
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I explained that I don't care, but what concerns me is the term "irregular" as opposed to 'illegal.' What does 'irregular' mean? Either a vote should be counted or it's an illegal vote (voter FRAUD!!) that is illegal and should be thrown out.

And I've seen nothing to indicate Cochran requested 'fraudulent' crossover votes. Do you mean democrats voting in the GOP primary? That's entirely LEGAL. It's illegal (apparently) to vote in both primaries, but I'm fairly certain Cochran isn't on record requesting democrats who have already voted in the democratic primary to come vote illegally for him the GOP primary. Do you have a link to that?
 
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Excon said:
Of course there are many possibilities if the allegations are true.
As already pointed out, such action could be at someone else's behest and not Cochran's.
It could solely be how Saleem decided to do it. And not how Cochran/campaign thought the money was used for.
Of course there are many other possibilities other than Cochran is responsible.
And didn't he say he was stiffed on the funds? Which means there was no money?
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The good Rev. said Saleem delivered $5-10,000 in cash already divided up into envelopes for the good Rev. to pass out to voters. What allegedly happened, however, is the good Rev. was promised $16k to run a fraudulent vote buying scheme (his fee), he didn't get his money up front, and the Cochran campaign stiffed him on his fee. If that happened, he did the illegal work then waited till after the election to get paid for committing various felonies, he's the dumbest con man ever, and so I don't feel too sorry for the man.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
What you left out is that the "grand old tradition of Whites in the South manipulating the vote behind closed doors" was a Democrat/liberal tradition, until they abandoned the Democrat party after the bill of rights and voting rights acts in the 60s.
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Oh the silly games CONs play... Southern democrats have little to do with the rest of the Nation's Democrats. They were formed to resist the Party of Lincoln's attempt to give 'the negras' say in local politics post civil war. To call them democrats is like calling Republicans of the pre-civil war era the same as the GOP of this generation. :doh

They have always been white men focused on keeping power in elite hands and in earlier times they were brazen enough to NOT close the doors- Huey Long could give a good gawd damn who saw what.

Now they close the doors, not as a nod to the old Democrat system as no Southern White man would admit to doing anything a Damnedyankee thought of, but to try and keep their own ways. Tradition they call it. I call it the Baptist double standard- so pious in public, dirty little boys in private. :shock:

To attach a political party to this is bogus... it is simply a powerful few white men wishing to dominate the local political process- no matter the party label.

But I do note you did the CON dodge away from the first sentence- white men promising to pay minorities and then reniging.... :2wave:

Don't matter the political party- THAT is a long running Southern Tradition.... :peace
 
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JasperL said:
I explained that I don't care, but what concerns me is the term "irregular" as opposed to 'illegal.' What does 'irregular' mean? Either a vote should be counted or it's an illegal vote (voter FRAUD!!) that is illegal and should be thrown out.
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Regardless of the law saying they are basically to maintain their position, how do you prove that the person didn't actually change their mind between the first vote and the second vote?
We know the votes were solicited from the opposite party members.
That is enough to suggest that the irregularities were done so fraudulently.



JasperL said:
And I've seen nothing to indicate Cochran requested 'fraudulent' crossover votes. Do you mean democrats voting in the GOP primary? That's entirely LEGAL. It's illegal (apparently) to vote in both primaries, but I'm fairly certain Cochran isn't on record requesting democrats who have already voted in the democratic primary to come vote illegally for him the GOP primary. Do you have a link to that?
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You have already addressed the fact that he did request the votes of Democrats. Do you honestly think that he was only requesting votes of non-voting Democrats? I think that assertion would be absurd.
He made no distinction, had he, I would say he would be covered sans any other outright fraud.
 
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JasperL said:
so I don't feel too sorry for the man.
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No one said you had to. I don't feel for him either. :shrug:
 
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