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    Re: Iraq receives fighter jets from Russia

    It is a religious civil war. It won't end until Iraq is settled down after being carved up by the various opponents. We, the Russians and everyone else just need to let it settle.

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    Re: Iraq receives fighter jets from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Iraq receives fighter jets from Russia | Veooz 360
    Do you think this will help turn the tide on ISIS?
    No. Once ISIS is entrenched in cities and villages, the Iraqi air force needs to be careful who and where they bomb or strafe. It'll be urban combat for sure. You can't fly a jet down main street. well, you can, and you can strafe and drop bombs, but you'll kill everyone. Why doesn't Russia send troops and equipment?

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    Re: Iraq receives fighter jets from Russia

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    Seems Iraqi Christians are happy about this move.

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    Re: Iraq receives fighter jets from Russia

    Obama really gave the whole show away and here's the proof.
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    Re: Iraq receives fighter jets from Russia

    Good for Russia...let them get involved in that quagmire and let America get the heck out and stay out.

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    Re: Iraq receives fighter jets from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Good for Russia...let them get involved in that quagmire and let America get the heck out and stay out.
    That's all we need; the Russians get a foothold in the Middle East.
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    Re: Iraq receives fighter jets from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's all we need; the Russians get a foothold in the Middle East.
    What difference does it make?

    Of America's total oil imports, less then 1/4 comes from the ENTIRE Persian Gulf (Canada alone exports almost twice as much oil to America as Saudi Arabia).

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    And China has no problems getting enough imported oil and they have ZERO troops on the ground outside of their borders.

    Why?

    Because the Persian Gulf states will sell to virtually anyone as long as they pay...which is exactly the way it should be.

    America, imo, could import just as much oil from that region - and at a far lower cost in taxpayer money and American lives - if they just left it alone.

    The Persian Gulf needs western money a WHOLE lot more then we need their oil.
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    Re: Iraq receives fighter jets from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    What difference does it make? Of America's total oil imports, less then 1/4 comes from the ENTIRE Persian Gulf (Canada alone exports almost twice as much oil to America as Saudi Arabia). And China has no problems getting enough imported oil and they have ZERO troops on the ground outside of their borders. Why? Because the Persian Gulf states will sell to virtually anyone as long as they pay...which is exactly the way it should be. America, imo, could import just as much oil from that region - and at a far lower cost in taxpayer money and American lives - if they just left it alone. The Persian Gulf needs western money a WHOLE lot more then we need their oil.
    Ahhh but American Big Oil needs that oil, and it doesn't matter who uses it. Running the oil production of the ME is HUGE Business and our oil companies have the might of the USofA Military to 'stabilize' the region. American tax payers subsidize over seas oil production in many ways, the lives of a few thousand soldiers every so often doesn't show up on the stockholder's annual report now does it?

    OPEC will sell to anyone but the real struggle is who gets the contract to produce that oil...

    I for one would hate to see big oil CEOs on street corners holding up signs- "Will drill for food"- kinda wimpy compared to "DRILL BABY DRILL!"...

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    Re: Iraq receives fighter jets from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    No. Once ISIS is entrenched in cities and villages, the Iraqi air force needs to be careful who and where they bomb or strafe. It'll be urban combat for sure. You can't fly a jet down main street. well, you can, and you can strafe and drop bombs, but you'll kill everyone. Why doesn't Russia send troops and equipment?
    Well another point is the time lag between receiving planes and effectively using them. I remember a poster who is extremely fond of scuttlebutt, claiming expert knowledge that just the slowdown in training would 'gut' the Navy's squadrons as the curve to get back to proficiency would be long and slow. Imagine having to start from scratch...

    I suppose Russian 'volunteers' could fly them, it does seem like Western Powers can't stop from taking turns doing stupid stuff in the ME- from the Suez Intervention of the 50's to BushII's attempt to garden in the desert. The Soviets and now the Russians have tried to dominate the ME for decades- and done a miserable job of it.

    Let's not hog the grief that is attempting to control the world, let the Russians pour some down the rat hole too....

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    Re: Iraq receives fighter jets from Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    In a word,no.

    The Shia government in Iraq will need a lot more than a little military hardware to turn the tide against the Sunni insurgency that it created with its poor treatment of Iraq citizens who are not Shia Muslims.
    Agreed. Having an army actually willing to fight would be a good start.
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